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They really lost they way... The addition of kdump-tools to relevant Ubuntu desktop and server images enables kernel crash dumps by default. This proactive a

They really lost they way... The addition of kdump-tools to relevant Ubuntu desktop and server images enables kernel crash dumps by default. This proactive approach streamlines troubleshooting by automatically capturing critical data after a crash, allowing faster and effective diagnostics, without requiring users to manually adjust settings beforehand. 99.9% of desktop users will not care about the crash dump. So should a crash happen for whatever reason, it will slow down even more the recovery, clutter the storage of the user that will not even do that there is something he can cleanup. And for a new version of their desktop, all they have to announce is that you will be able to find old color themes and improvement in the apt "command line" UX.

wutwutwat 2y ago
I'm not seeing how this decision is an indicator of how they've lost their way... One could talk about the horrible thing called snaps and the fact the OS prefers installing them over debs, or the Ubuntu Pro upsell attempts, etc. kdump isn't an issue compared to the real issues imo
- greatgib 2y ago
  I mean that it is totally not something going in the way to do a general public desktop environment.
- eternityforest 2y ago
  I love snaps, but I'm getting a bit worried now that I'm seeing more and more Flatpak only apps not in the snap store. Snaps were way ahead at first, now it's becoming a real fragmentation issue.
  - vetinari 2y ago
    Snaps were never ahead; it was a quick-and-dirty solution thrown together, during the time when flatpak was being designed. It was lets-do-quick-something, so we can claim first prize, never mind the consequences. It is just another case of Cannonical being Cannonical, now with the flavor lets-try-to-monetize-here (you cannot have your private snap repos, like you can have with apt, dnf or flatpak. You can use only single global one run by Cannonical, and to get a private part of it, it is pay for play). So yes, it is becoming fragmentation issue and thing will get much worse (for Ubuntu users), until Cannonical reverses.
    - eternityforest 2y ago
      It's really annoying, Canonical pretty much has no true competitors aside from Red Hat, and they seem to have only recently started becoming a mainstream desktop choice. But than Canonical reinvents wheels, which is like, the one thing you should almost never do, if you're trying to be the one size fits all choice for those of us who hate heavily customized systems. Whatever Red Hat does seems to always win in the end, and it's generally great once it's established, but Debian is the standard on a lot of of things, and it's nice to have everything in one family, so everything works the same on the server as on your dev machine. All the distros besides Red Hat stuff and Ubuntu seem to be either unpopular, or trying to stick to a Unixy kind of experience to some degree, or they have their own uncommon incompatible stuff added on, like Mint with Cinnamon that's not quite as nice as GNOME now that GNOME has kind of got their crap together again. Maybe just vanilla Debian with Gnome will be the way to go now that Flatpak seems to be winning...
eternityforest 2y ago
Are there any measurements on how much it will slow things down by? Perhaps they plan to add an easy GUI tool to look at crashes, or even add automated reporting to the existing telemetry. I'm all for it, if only because I don't want them wasting time maintaining two different configurations, if they can unify them, they have more time to improve the important stuff.

wutwutwat 2y ago

I'm not seeing how this decision is an indicator of how they've lost their way... One could talk about the horrible thing called snaps and the fact the OS prefers installing them over debs, or the Ubuntu Pro upsell attempts, etc. kdump isn't an issue compared to the real issues imo

greatgib 2y ago
I mean that it is totally not something going in the way to do a general public desktop environment.
eternityforest 2y ago
I love snaps, but I'm getting a bit worried now that I'm seeing more and more Flatpak only apps not in the snap store. Snaps were way ahead at first, now it's becoming a real fragmentation issue.
- vetinari 2y ago
  Snaps were never ahead; it was a quick-and-dirty solution thrown together, during the time when flatpak was being designed. It was lets-do-quick-something, so we can claim first prize, never mind the consequences. It is just another case of Cannonical being Cannonical, now with the flavor lets-try-to-monetize-here (you cannot have your private snap repos, like you can have with apt, dnf or flatpak. You can use only single global one run by Cannonical, and to get a private part of it, it is pay for play). So yes, it is becoming fragmentation issue and thing will get much worse (for Ubuntu users), until Cannonical reverses.
  - eternityforest 2y ago
    It's really annoying, Canonical pretty much has no true competitors aside from Red Hat, and they seem to have only recently started becoming a mainstream desktop choice. But than Canonical reinvents wheels, which is like, the one thing you should almost never do, if you're trying to be the one size fits all choice for those of us who hate heavily customized systems. Whatever Red Hat does seems to always win in the end, and it's generally great once it's established, but Debian is the standard on a lot of of things, and it's nice to have everything in one family, so everything works the same on the server as on your dev machine. All the distros besides Red Hat stuff and Ubuntu seem to be either unpopular, or trying to stick to a Unixy kind of experience to some degree, or they have their own uncommon incompatible stuff added on, like Mint with Cinnamon that's not quite as nice as GNOME now that GNOME has kind of got their crap together again. Maybe just vanilla Debian with Gnome will be the way to go now that Flatpak seems to be winning...

eternityforest 2y ago

Are there any measurements on how much it will slow things down by? Perhaps they plan to add an easy GUI tool to look at crashes, or even add automated reporting to the existing telemetry. I'm all for it, if only because I don't want them wasting time maintaining two different configurations, if they can unify them, they have more time to improve the important stuff.