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Yes, about 2000 moving parts in a combustion engine compared to 20 in an electric motor. The only reason ICE cars are comparable in price is the 100 years of su

Yes, about 2000 moving parts in a combustion engine compared to 20 in an electric motor. The only reason ICE cars are comparable in price is the 100 years of supply chain competition. EVs will win, but gas and diesel will persist for a long time in niches (enthusiasts, long-haul towing).

kristopolous 2y ago
More rural places without electrification are the big long term use until renewable tech becomes better and significantly cheaper. In the future there will be off-grid unmanned free standing windmill or solar installations with a car charger hooked up to it. People will put such public chargers on their vacant land, say in the desert, for passive income, profit sharing with the installer. Their storage capacity, price and availability will be broadcast by cellular and be part of the realtime routing decision of the vehicle who will be able to reserve a time slot. Whenever such free standing charging station businesses becomes viable, that's when gasolines cars will be in their final decline. Might be 40 years, might be 10.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  Small perk of the iron-air battery (such as the largest battery in the world, being built in Maine, https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/long-duration-energy-storage/form-energy-set-to-build-worlds-biggest-battery-in-maine https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/long-duration-energy-st... ), is that it's also bulky & heavy, which is harder to steal! Other future imagining: a bunch of wrecked or old EV's being used for their battery capacity, buffering power from solar. Charge station of old cars holding juice for new ones.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    I'm sure there's going to be battery "rejuvenation" plants where they reset the chemistry on old batteries and refurbish them as new. When we're talking batteries that cost in the thousands, it starts to make sense
MrHamburger 2y ago
But you can replace any of those 2000 moving parts with same one from eBay. You can either make your own if you know how. You can't change DRM locked part unless it is a new one and installed by approved technician using approved software for installation. Have you been naughty boy? No parts for you. This will work against all new cars in general.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  Companies not respecting consumer rights isn't an inherent property of having an electric drivetrain. That's a right to repair argument, which is a different issue. There will likely be consumer protection laws and maybe even an "Open Car" project in the same way there's open hardware today. Are you implying a covetous car manufacturer won't be as protective with their gasoline vehicle line?
  - MrHamburger 2y ago
    > Companies not respecting consumer rights isn't an inherent property of having an electric drivetrain. But it is so much easier. How car will tell that mechanical part has been changed? It can't.
    - kristopolous 2y ago
      Ok name an EV part you can be a DRM asshole with and tell me the mechanism by which you're enforcing the DRM and I'll bet it's equally enforceable with a similar mechanism on the gas vehicle.
      - MrHamburger 2y ago
        Battery pack being DRM locked, while gas tank can't be.
        ssl-3 2y ago
        Gas tank can be behind DRM, just as a battery can be. They're both naturally rather simple affairs: In their most primitive forms, a fuel tank is just a container that holds fuel, and a battery is just a collection of cells. But nothing at all prevents either thing from being rather more complex than that with the inclusion of necessary electronics that are DRM-locked.

kristopolous 2y ago

More rural places without electrification are the big long term use until renewable tech becomes better and significantly cheaper. In the future there will be off-grid unmanned free standing windmill or solar installations with a car charger hooked up to it. People will put such public chargers on their vacant land, say in the desert, for passive income, profit sharing with the installer. Their storage capacity, price and availability will be broadcast by cellular and be part of the realtime routing decision of the vehicle who will be able to reserve a time slot. Whenever such free standing charging station businesses becomes viable, that's when gasolines cars will be in their final decline. Might be 40 years, might be 10.

jauntywundrkind 2y ago
Small perk of the iron-air battery (such as the largest battery in the world, being built in Maine, https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/long-duration-energy-storage/form-energy-set-to-build-worlds-biggest-battery-in-maine https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/long-duration-energy-st... ), is that it's also bulky & heavy, which is harder to steal! Other future imagining: a bunch of wrecked or old EV's being used for their battery capacity, buffering power from solar. Charge station of old cars holding juice for new ones.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  I'm sure there's going to be battery "rejuvenation" plants where they reset the chemistry on old batteries and refurbish them as new. When we're talking batteries that cost in the thousands, it starts to make sense

MrHamburger 2y ago

But you can replace any of those 2000 moving parts with same one from eBay. You can either make your own if you know how. You can't change DRM locked part unless it is a new one and installed by approved technician using approved software for installation. Have you been naughty boy? No parts for you. This will work against all new cars in general.

kristopolous 2y ago
Companies not respecting consumer rights isn't an inherent property of having an electric drivetrain. That's a right to repair argument, which is a different issue. There will likely be consumer protection laws and maybe even an "Open Car" project in the same way there's open hardware today. Are you implying a covetous car manufacturer won't be as protective with their gasoline vehicle line?
- MrHamburger 2y ago
  > Companies not respecting consumer rights isn't an inherent property of having an electric drivetrain. But it is so much easier. How car will tell that mechanical part has been changed? It can't.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    Ok name an EV part you can be a DRM asshole with and tell me the mechanism by which you're enforcing the DRM and I'll bet it's equally enforceable with a similar mechanism on the gas vehicle.
    - MrHamburger 2y ago
      Battery pack being DRM locked, while gas tank can't be.
      - ssl-3 2y ago
        Gas tank can be behind DRM, just as a battery can be. They're both naturally rather simple affairs: In their most primitive forms, a fuel tank is just a container that holds fuel, and a battery is just a collection of cells. But nothing at all prevents either thing from being rather more complex than that with the inclusion of necessary electronics that are DRM-locked.