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I agree. I have had several services run for a decade on a company LAN using Linux. They did boring things well. They will still work in 20 years if the hardw

I agree. I have had several services run for a decade on a company LAN using Linux. They did boring things well. They will still work in 20 years if the hardware is still there.

nonrandomstring 2y ago
To be fair I've had Debian boxes with uptimes of many years and service lives of a decade. A sarge install doing nothing but DNS (on metal not VM) from 2006 lasted until 2015. So it isn't just a Linux - BSD thing it's a mindset of simplicity and focus of function. But since about 2020 my love for Debian waned, what with the systemd and ugly internal politics. Nowadays I'm inclined to look at whether a BSD or other operating system [0] might be a good fit for someones needs. Basically I find the most mature mindset exists wherever it's furthest away from the GAFAM/Bigtech values which corrupt, over-complicate everything and try to suck you into ongoing unstable dependency relation. Using "unfashionable" technology is pretty much always a win in my experience. [0] https://www.techradar.com/news/best-alternative-operating-systems https://www.techradar.com/news/best-alternative-operating-sy...
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- AStonesThrow 2y ago
  It's interesting, because around 2004-06 was when I struggled mightily with hardware issues, especially audio, and Chris Siebenmann was the one who urged me to "install Ubuntu and be done with it." And Ubuntu really was the value-add, turnkey solution for someone who needed a desktop system as "daily driver" without endless tinkering and custom fixes. But by 2018, Ubuntu was making enough proprietary additions that I didn't need, and I began to notice Debian's maturity and feature parity. But Debian still had a reputation for being extremely stable. So some new installs were Debian, and in 2018 when I purchased a Lenovo notebook, some were Ubuntu-certified, and I chose Red Hat certified, which ultimately ran Fedora quite smoothly. (There were no BSD-certified notebooks.)

I agree. I have had several services run for a decade on a company LAN using Linux. They did boring things well. They will still work in 20 years if the hardware is still there.

nonrandomstring 2y ago

To be fair I've had Debian boxes with uptimes of many years and service lives of a decade. A sarge install doing nothing but DNS (on metal not VM) from 2006 lasted until 2015. So it isn't just a Linux - BSD thing it's a mindset of simplicity and focus of function. But since about 2020 my love for Debian waned, what with the systemd and ugly internal politics. Nowadays I'm inclined to look at whether a BSD or other operating system [0] might be a good fit for someones needs. Basically I find the most mature mindset exists wherever it's furthest away from the GAFAM/Bigtech values which corrupt, over-complicate everything and try to suck you into ongoing unstable dependency relation. Using "unfashionable" technology is pretty much always a win in my experience. [0] https://www.techradar.com/news/best-alternative-operating-systems https://www.techradar.com/news/best-alternative-operating-sy...

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AStonesThrow 2y ago
It's interesting, because around 2004-06 was when I struggled mightily with hardware issues, especially audio, and Chris Siebenmann was the one who urged me to "install Ubuntu and be done with it." And Ubuntu really was the value-add, turnkey solution for someone who needed a desktop system as "daily driver" without endless tinkering and custom fixes. But by 2018, Ubuntu was making enough proprietary additions that I didn't need, and I began to notice Debian's maturity and feature parity. But Debian still had a reputation for being extremely stable. So some new installs were Debian, and in 2018 when I purchased a Lenovo notebook, some were Ubuntu-certified, and I chose Red Hat certified, which ultimately ran Fedora quite smoothly. (There were no BSD-certified notebooks.)