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Not really. if your choice is a better ICE car at the same price point, why get an EV that has to stop intermittently and has failure modes like broken chargers

Not really. if your choice is a better ICE car at the same price point, why get an EV that has to stop intermittently and has failure modes like broken chargers. It has to be as good. And better

amatecha 2y ago
Yeah, the amount of issues I hear about with chargers not working, and everything relying on using some app? I'm not installing a smartphone app to charge a battery! So far I'm not feeling too tempted about electric vehicles. I'll be happy to find something that avoids these shortcomings though!
- exitb 2y ago
  It's not a technology issue, it's a service issue. If ICE cars were invented today, you'd need an app at a gas station too.
  - amatecha 2y ago
    No doubt. I hope there's more pushback against that crap.
- Hamuko 2y ago
  EU regulations require charging stations to accept card payments by 2027.
  - amatecha 2y ago
    Nice, that's really good to hear! Hopefully other jurisdictions follow the lead there!
aidos 2y ago
Good and better by which metrics? Different people have different requirements.
speedgoose 2y ago
Thankfully they are often better. 95% of new car sales are EVs in my area. It took a few years to get there, people don't necessarily know immediately what they like best. https://elbilstatistikk.no/ https://elbilstatistikk.no/
- closewith 2y ago
  Norway is an absolute outlier, driven exclusively by tax incentives. In the rest of the EEA, EVs sales are plummeting. https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations-18-3-in-august-2024-bev-market-share-down-by-almost-one-third/ https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations...
  - speedgoose 2y ago
    Do you have a source about “exclusively“?
    - itsoktocry 2y ago
      Have you looked at the taxes versus incentives for EVs vs ICEs in Norway? If you need a new car and one is triple the cost (because the other is exempt from fees) what are you going to buy? But yeah, it's for the environment, surely. Reverse the policy and see what happens.
      - speedgoose 2y ago
        I agree it's a strong incentive, but I'm not sure it's the only one. One example was during the cold wave last winter. ICE owners struggled quite a bit more than EV owners. You also have the problem that ICE vehicles are quite slow and laggy, unless you spend a lot of money on performance ICE vehicles but then they usually tend to be loud and uncomfortable.

Not really. if your choice is a better ICE car at the same price point, why get an EV that has to stop intermittently and has failure modes like broken chargers. It has to be as good. And better

amatecha 2y ago

Yeah, the amount of issues I hear about with chargers not working, and everything relying on using some app? I'm not installing a smartphone app to charge a battery! So far I'm not feeling too tempted about electric vehicles. I'll be happy to find something that avoids these shortcomings though!

exitb 2y ago
It's not a technology issue, it's a service issue. If ICE cars were invented today, you'd need an app at a gas station too.
- amatecha 2y ago
  No doubt. I hope there's more pushback against that crap.
Hamuko 2y ago
EU regulations require charging stations to accept card payments by 2027.
- amatecha 2y ago
  Nice, that's really good to hear! Hopefully other jurisdictions follow the lead there!

aidos 2y ago

Good and better by which metrics? Different people have different requirements.

speedgoose 2y ago

Thankfully they are often better. 95% of new car sales are EVs in my area. It took a few years to get there, people don't necessarily know immediately what they like best. https://elbilstatistikk.no/ https://elbilstatistikk.no/

closewith 2y ago
Norway is an absolute outlier, driven exclusively by tax incentives. In the rest of the EEA, EVs sales are plummeting. https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations-18-3-in-august-2024-bev-market-share-down-by-almost-one-third/ https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations...
- speedgoose 2y ago
  Do you have a source about “exclusively“?
  - itsoktocry 2y ago
    Have you looked at the taxes versus incentives for EVs vs ICEs in Norway? If you need a new car and one is triple the cost (because the other is exempt from fees) what are you going to buy? But yeah, it's for the environment, surely. Reverse the policy and see what happens.
    - speedgoose 2y ago
      I agree it's a strong incentive, but I'm not sure it's the only one. One example was during the cold wave last winter. ICE owners struggled quite a bit more than EV owners. You also have the problem that ICE vehicles are quite slow and laggy, unless you spend a lot of money on performance ICE vehicles but then they usually tend to be loud and uncomfortable.