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Ryzen 9000X3D performance according to MSI
- deafpolygon 2y agoIf that’s the case, that’s slightly disappointing.
- Pingk 2y agoThe whole 9000 series has been disappointing, in terms of price/performance you're better off getting something from 7000. It seems like 9000 (and the newly announced Intel 200 series) have a lot of restructuring work and lay the bed for future generations to push further
- adrian_b 2y agoIt is disappointing only for gamers. For scientific and technical computing, a 9950X provides the greatest improvement in performance per dollar since five years ago, in 2019, when the first 16-core desktop computer, 3950X, has been introduced by AMD. This is caused by the doubling of the AVX-512 throughput per core in desktop and server Zen 5. The new Intel Arrow Lake S desktop CPU, 285K, also provides a 50% increase in AVX throughput over Alder Lake/Raptor Lake, but this increase remains small in comparison with the throughput doubling in 9950X, which ensures a 4/3 throughput in 9950X (actually even more than that in practice, due to the better AVX-512 instruction set). For games and for applications that are not dominated by array operations, for instance for software project compilation, the performance of AVX or AVX-512 code does not matter much, but there are a lot of professional applications where 9950X will provide a great jump in performance. For things like software project compilation, it is likely that Intel 285K will provide the best performance per dollar, due to its 24 cores. Unlike the older Intel E-cores, the new Skymont cores have a multithreaded performance that can be similar with that of the old Zen 4 cores or of the P-cores of Alder Lake/Raptor Lake, except for the applications where a high contention between threads for their shared L2 cache memory happens. So this time one can truly consider Intel 285K as a 24 core CPU (without SMT) from the point of view of the applications dominated by integer/pointer computations, while in Alder Lake and Raptor Lake the E-cores were better viewed as half cores, due to their lower performance, so the top models of Raptor Lake were better thought as equivalent with a 16C/32T CPU, not with a "24-core" CPU, as advertised. The 9950X has become more important than the past desktop CPUs, because the prices of the server CPUs have greatly increased during the last decade, so now, for most small businesses or individuals, it has become not cost-effective to use a "real" server CPU. Instead of that, it is much more economical to use servers with 9950X (and ECC memory). Multiple servers with 9950X are much cheaper than a single server of similar capacity with an Epyc CPU.
- lysp 2y agoI believe also that the 9000x3D series (from my memory of rumours) also has the 3D cache on both CCXs, meaning no latency with cross-CCX communication.
- adrian_b 2y agoAMD claims that the 9000X3D series is the product that will provide the game performance increase expected by gamers for a new product generation. Of course, that remains to be seen, but it is plausible.
- snovv_crash 2y agoLong term as games start using AVX512 I expect the 9000 series will be seen as a big step up against previous generations. One of those "fine wine" things.
- deafpolygon 2y agoThat doesn't matter now. Gamers will vote with their dollar, and they are fickle.
- AnotherGoodName 2y agoI think that has the possibility to make it worse honestly. It’s not like the contents of the cache is duplicated. Instead it’s split across a ccx boundary and if the data is in the wrong cache you’ll be hit. Now clever thread management can help avoid this but so far the 9xxx series has shown terrible thread affinity choices with many existing games and apps. I’ll wait and see how the 3D cache helps here.
- rcarmo 2y agoWell, not if they drive prices down for the 7xxx series. I’d rather not buy the bleeding edge stuff at premium prices.
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- mahmoudhossam 2y agoMost games aren't CPU bound anyway, would be interesting to see compiler benchmarks or other tasks that actually stress the CPU.
- throwaway71271 2y agomany are cpu bound for stupid things like https://nee.lv/2021/02/28/How-I-cut-GTA-Online-loading-times-by-70/ https://nee.lv/2021/02/28/How-I-cut-GTA-Online-loading-times... or various accidentally quadratic functions of course they shouldnt, but such is life
- mahmoudhossam 2y agoThat's a perfect storm of bad coding though, not something I'd buy a new CPU for.
- throwaway71271 2y agowell ultimately you buy a new CPU so that your software runs faster sadly after few years faster CPUs are normalized and we write sloppier code that makes the programs slow again then amd has to work on next generation of speculative execution innovations and almost AGI branch predictors :) and we go again
- homebrewer 2y agoIf you spend as much time in online games as some people do (it's not rare to find a steam account with thousands of hours in GTA 5), it would absolutely make sense to get a new CPU which will save you 10-15 minutes of waiting time per day. Also, "perfect storm of bad coding" is the norm for games, and not the exception, no?
- hu3 2y agoMuch easier to buy faster CPU than to decompile, debug and fix bottlenecks in games.
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- yapyap 2y agoman autocorrect is a b*
- smcleod 2y ago2-13% seems very disappointing considering how long the 7000 series has been out. I was hoping we'd see more like 80-200% based on the gains we've seen from Apple and Nvidia in this time/
- syspec 2y agoWhy not 300% - 30,000% at that point? Since it's just hope
- homebrewer 2y agoAMD continues to carry 50 years of software compatibility. Apple broke it completely just a few years ago. It's not a fair comparison.
- smcleod 2y agoMost people don't want 50 years of old software to work. They want current software to run fast, with low power consumption.
- ramon156 2y ago> Rosen There's a third?! /j
- sylware 2y agoCPU bound for games does not mean the same thing than CPU bound for many other benchmarks. In a game, based on its type, it is being able to do all the required work required in less than a frame time without being bother by other tasks stealing the CPU cores from time to time (or significantly messing around the cache memory). 144Hz/72Hz means you must do all the work in less than 6/13ms. Nowdays, it means you ask the kernel to favor CPU cores from the same CCD...
- indemnity 2y agoIf the 9800X3D is more efficient that would be a reason for me to upgrade from the 7800X3D, since I run it in a space constrained ITX case (FormD T1). That said, the 7800X3D is not exactly throttling in the case, but a few degrees less heat is always welcome, and gives me more GPU headroom if the 5090 will end up fitting eventually (currently running 4090).