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I have stopped to pay Kagi because their obsession to employ AI everywhere.

by mococa 2y ago

mococa 2y ago
I am leaving Google because the AI crap.
- mococa 2y ago
  I mean: Companies seem to be using AI everywhere without a clear justification, just for the sake of using it, but that’s not the issue. The problem is that Google ruined its reputation by showing completely inaccurate results when it started displaying AI-generated results.
bayindirh 2y ago
They are much more level headed about it, and they openly say that “AI is a tool and addition to search. Kagi is fine without it”. For their rationale, see “LLM Features” page in their help, which is linked at the bottom of Kagi Snaps page. I don’t use any LLM features of Kagi, and it’s not hindered in any way.
- hobofan 2y ago
  Yeah, Kagi is fine without it, but if they would spend all the effort they pit into AI into normal Kagi search, Kagi could possibly be amazing without it. E.g. Kagi could spend their time on improving deep site search (Stackoverflow/Github/Reddit) which is one of the few areas where they still lag behind Google.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    I think biggest obstacle in front of normal Kagi search is index size. Kagi is a multi-index search engine for now. IMO, as they improve their (own/in-house) indexes, I think they’ll be able to build more features on top of standard Kagi search.
  - dario_od 2y ago
    Isn't the problem that only google can crawl new reddit pages now?
freediver 2y ago
That would be a very wrong characterization of Kagi does with AI. We have a an AI integration philosophy that we have been following since day one. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/ai-philosophy.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/ai-philosophy.html The primary guideline of that philosophy is that any AI feature is opt-in and on-demand rather than being pushed down the user. So to characterize our efforts as you did, can at best be described as doing disservice to reality. Why the need for that?

I have stopped to pay Kagi because their obsession to employ AI everywhere.

by mococa 2y ago

I have stopped to pay Kagi because their obsession to employ AI everywhere.

mococa 2y ago

I am leaving Google because the AI crap.

mococa 2y ago
I mean: Companies seem to be using AI everywhere without a clear justification, just for the sake of using it, but that’s not the issue. The problem is that Google ruined its reputation by showing completely inaccurate results when it started displaying AI-generated results.

bayindirh 2y ago

They are much more level headed about it, and they openly say that “AI is a tool and addition to search. Kagi is fine without it”. For their rationale, see “LLM Features” page in their help, which is linked at the bottom of Kagi Snaps page. I don’t use any LLM features of Kagi, and it’s not hindered in any way.

hobofan 2y ago
Yeah, Kagi is fine without it, but if they would spend all the effort they pit into AI into normal Kagi search, Kagi could possibly be amazing without it. E.g. Kagi could spend their time on improving deep site search (Stackoverflow/Github/Reddit) which is one of the few areas where they still lag behind Google.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  I think biggest obstacle in front of normal Kagi search is index size. Kagi is a multi-index search engine for now. IMO, as they improve their (own/in-house) indexes, I think they’ll be able to build more features on top of standard Kagi search.
- dario_od 2y ago
  Isn't the problem that only google can crawl new reddit pages now?

freediver 2y ago

That would be a very wrong characterization of Kagi does with AI. We have a an AI integration philosophy that we have been following since day one. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/ai-philosophy.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/ai-philosophy.html The primary guideline of that philosophy is that any AI feature is opt-in and on-demand rather than being pushed down the user. So to characterize our efforts as you did, can at best be described as doing disservice to reality. Why the need for that?