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Studies have repeatedly shown that lifestyle modification does not result in sustained weight loss for most. Not going to waste my time providing sources to re

Studies have repeatedly shown that lifestyle modification does not result in sustained weight loss for most. Not going to waste my time providing sources to remedy your ignorance. You are more than capable of doing this research yourself.

paulddraper 2y ago
Nor will I waste time proving the opposite. Until next time we meet on the internet. :salute:
JamesBarney 2y ago
Yeah the problem with providing a study is that proving a negative is so hard. Everyone assumes there exists a successful RCT with a 5-10 year time horizon for weight loss via lifestyle interventions. And there just isn't one, and the only way to know that is to search for one.
artursapek 2y ago
How does "burning more calories than you consume" not result in weight loss for most people, lmao?
- sethammons 2y ago
  How do people not realize that the digestive system is dynamic and that as you change the calories in (and the type of calories) that the body changes the out. You can't outrun thermodynamics. But your body will change its efficiency.
- borski 2y ago
  Because your metabolism changes. If you ate 700 calories per day it would be harder for you to lose weight than if you ate 1400 and worked out. You’d still be eating less, but retaining more weight. Why? Because your metabolism slows down significantly if you don’t fuel it, and that makes it harder to lose weight, not easier. Most things in life are not binary, and are affected by more than just a single choice.
  - artursapek 2y ago
    Yeah. So that's why working out is the solution lol. How is this controversial?
    - borski 2y ago
      Because working out, alone, is not the solution. You could work out all day and still not lose a pound. Plenty of studies have shown this. Moreover, have you ever tried to work out at 450 lbs? No? It is an immense effort, often literally impossible for most people at that weight, and the best they can manage is a walk around the block before their cardio can’t keep up. What then? See above, where I reminded people (which includes you) that things are rarely binary.
      - artursapek 2y ago
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        borski 2y ago
        Cool. Let me know if you figure out a solution. Otherwise, perhaps let people get healthy instead of admonishing them to get healthy the way you think they should, which turns out to be… the same way they have always tried and has not worked.
        artursapek 2y ago
        Bringing up mortally obese 450lb people (a tiny fraction of the population) is not a good faith argument against my position that it's a travesty Ozempic and other "weight loss drugs" are being prescribed to people en masse when most of them actually are very capable of just eating more healthy diets and exercising more. What we actually need to do is un-fuck our food supply and encourage healthier lifestyles... not give big pharma yet another chokehold over the population.
        2y ago
zamadatix 2y ago
Proving a negative is a hard and sometimes an annoying in itself ask plus you're probably frustrated with the general attitude to this kind of conversation (especially if your main expectation/experience is others don't like the pill answer out of spitefulness) but that doesn't make this kind of response any more okay here. For others open to listening to why it's often out of reach: Outside the go-to "motivation" type discussion gravitation (and, keep in mind, not everyone can just 'motivate themselves past their addictions' in the first place or they wouldn't be addictions) it is also disproportionately hard for those struggling in other ways of life (financially, mentally, physically/genetically). Some of these can be cascaded effects, like support systems (e.g.not everyone's partner is willing or able to go all in on it like above). Others can be that it is medically not as easy for some people to lose weight at a given intake amount which makes it just that much harder. Most people would like very VERY much to be fit. That most still aren't fit should be a good indicator it's out of most's reach to "just eat less" independently. All this said as a person who is not overweight themselves but has been around many people in different situations, abilities, and luck that have left them unable to be so as well.
wiseowise 2y ago
Oh well, back to my unhealthy lifestyle because study of some thousand something in one country said it’s impossible to change!
unclad5968 2y ago
I didn't ask if lifestyle modification resulted in sustained weight loss. I asked in what ways is fitness not accessible to the majority of people.

paulddraper 2y ago

Nor will I waste time proving the opposite. Until next time we meet on the internet. :salute:

JamesBarney 2y ago

Yeah the problem with providing a study is that proving a negative is so hard. Everyone assumes there exists a successful RCT with a 5-10 year time horizon for weight loss via lifestyle interventions. And there just isn't one, and the only way to know that is to search for one.

artursapek 2y ago

How does "burning more calories than you consume" not result in weight loss for most people, lmao?

sethammons 2y ago
How do people not realize that the digestive system is dynamic and that as you change the calories in (and the type of calories) that the body changes the out. You can't outrun thermodynamics. But your body will change its efficiency.
borski 2y ago
Because your metabolism changes. If you ate 700 calories per day it would be harder for you to lose weight than if you ate 1400 and worked out. You’d still be eating less, but retaining more weight. Why? Because your metabolism slows down significantly if you don’t fuel it, and that makes it harder to lose weight, not easier. Most things in life are not binary, and are affected by more than just a single choice.
- artursapek 2y ago
  Yeah. So that's why working out is the solution lol. How is this controversial?
  - borski 2y ago
    Because working out, alone, is not the solution. You could work out all day and still not lose a pound. Plenty of studies have shown this. Moreover, have you ever tried to work out at 450 lbs? No? It is an immense effort, often literally impossible for most people at that weight, and the best they can manage is a walk around the block before their cardio can’t keep up. What then? See above, where I reminded people (which includes you) that things are rarely binary.
    - artursapek 2y ago
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      - borski 2y ago
        Cool. Let me know if you figure out a solution. Otherwise, perhaps let people get healthy instead of admonishing them to get healthy the way you think they should, which turns out to be… the same way they have always tried and has not worked.
        artursapek 2y ago
        Bringing up mortally obese 450lb people (a tiny fraction of the population) is not a good faith argument against my position that it's a travesty Ozempic and other "weight loss drugs" are being prescribed to people en masse when most of them actually are very capable of just eating more healthy diets and exercising more. What we actually need to do is un-fuck our food supply and encourage healthier lifestyles... not give big pharma yet another chokehold over the population.
        2y ago

zamadatix 2y ago

Proving a negative is a hard and sometimes an annoying in itself ask plus you're probably frustrated with the general attitude to this kind of conversation (especially if your main expectation/experience is others don't like the pill answer out of spitefulness) but that doesn't make this kind of response any more okay here. For others open to listening to why it's often out of reach: Outside the go-to "motivation" type discussion gravitation (and, keep in mind, not everyone can just 'motivate themselves past their addictions' in the first place or they wouldn't be addictions) it is also disproportionately hard for those struggling in other ways of life (financially, mentally, physically/genetically). Some of these can be cascaded effects, like support systems (e.g.not everyone's partner is willing or able to go all in on it like above). Others can be that it is medically not as easy for some people to lose weight at a given intake amount which makes it just that much harder. Most people would like very VERY much to be fit. That most still aren't fit should be a good indicator it's out of most's reach to "just eat less" independently. All this said as a person who is not overweight themselves but has been around many people in different situations, abilities, and luck that have left them unable to be so as well.

wiseowise 2y ago

Oh well, back to my unhealthy lifestyle because study of some thousand something in one country said it’s impossible to change!

unclad5968 2y ago

I didn't ask if lifestyle modification resulted in sustained weight loss. I asked in what ways is fitness not accessible to the majority of people.