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They've seemed very focused on their AI assistant recently, so I'm happy to see a useful new search feature. Happy to see that custom bangs work (eg a discours

They've seemed very focused on their AI assistant recently, so I'm happy to see a useful new search feature. Happy to see that custom bangs work (eg a discourse forum I visit), but eventually I'd like to specify how far along the path to "snap". I'd like my @javadoc to hit `site:docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/23/docs/api/` instead of the current `site:docs.oracle.com`.

freediver 2y ago
Check the latest release notes for all search improvements that went out in this release: https://kagi.com/changelog#4813 https://kagi.com/changelog#4813
mococa 2y ago
I have stopped to pay Kagi because their obsession to employ AI everywhere.
- mococa 2y ago
  I am leaving Google because the AI crap.
  - mococa 2y ago
    I mean: Companies seem to be using AI everywhere without a clear justification, just for the sake of using it, but that’s not the issue. The problem is that Google ruined its reputation by showing completely inaccurate results when it started displaying AI-generated results.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  They are much more level headed about it, and they openly say that “AI is a tool and addition to search. Kagi is fine without it”. For their rationale, see “LLM Features” page in their help, which is linked at the bottom of Kagi Snaps page. I don’t use any LLM features of Kagi, and it’s not hindered in any way.
  - hobofan 2y ago
    Yeah, Kagi is fine without it, but if they would spend all the effort they pit into AI into normal Kagi search, Kagi could possibly be amazing without it. E.g. Kagi could spend their time on improving deep site search (Stackoverflow/Github/Reddit) which is one of the few areas where they still lag behind Google.
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      I think biggest obstacle in front of normal Kagi search is index size. Kagi is a multi-index search engine for now. IMO, as they improve their (own/in-house) indexes, I think they’ll be able to build more features on top of standard Kagi search.
    - dario_od 2y ago
      Isn't the problem that only google can crawl new reddit pages now?
- freediver 2y ago
  That would be a very wrong characterization of Kagi does with AI. We have a an AI integration philosophy that we have been following since day one. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/ai-philosophy.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/ai-philosophy.html The primary guideline of that philosophy is that any AI feature is opt-in and on-demand rather than being pushed down the user. So to characterize our efforts as you did, can at best be described as doing disservice to reality. Why the need for that?
nobodywasishere 2y ago
We do currently have a field to override the domain used for snaps (the `ad` field in the bangs repository[1]) which doesn't have much validation and is useful for situations like this. It's possible we'll expose this for custom bangs in the future, but for now I can add that as a bang to the main repository, as it seems like it would be generally useful. [1]: https://github.com/kagisearch/bangs?tab=readme-ov-file#bang-format https://github.com/kagisearch/bangs?tab=readme-ov-file#bang-...
- nobodywasishere 2y ago
  https://github.com/kagisearch/bangs/commit/55e8612cd5f19b292ba7b8007878c51c2e2efcf4 https://github.com/kagisearch/bangs/commit/55e8612cd5f19b292...
gherkinnn 2y ago
I would normally agree. But Kagi's AI thing doesn't annoy me in ways it does in other products. End a query in a "?" to get a quick summary with links to the sources. Normal search results below.

freediver 2y ago

Check the latest release notes for all search improvements that went out in this release: https://kagi.com/changelog#4813 https://kagi.com/changelog#4813

mococa 2y ago

I have stopped to pay Kagi because their obsession to employ AI everywhere.

mococa 2y ago
I am leaving Google because the AI crap.
- mococa 2y ago
  I mean: Companies seem to be using AI everywhere without a clear justification, just for the sake of using it, but that’s not the issue. The problem is that Google ruined its reputation by showing completely inaccurate results when it started displaying AI-generated results.
bayindirh 2y ago
They are much more level headed about it, and they openly say that “AI is a tool and addition to search. Kagi is fine without it”. For their rationale, see “LLM Features” page in their help, which is linked at the bottom of Kagi Snaps page. I don’t use any LLM features of Kagi, and it’s not hindered in any way.
- hobofan 2y ago
  Yeah, Kagi is fine without it, but if they would spend all the effort they pit into AI into normal Kagi search, Kagi could possibly be amazing without it. E.g. Kagi could spend their time on improving deep site search (Stackoverflow/Github/Reddit) which is one of the few areas where they still lag behind Google.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    I think biggest obstacle in front of normal Kagi search is index size. Kagi is a multi-index search engine for now. IMO, as they improve their (own/in-house) indexes, I think they’ll be able to build more features on top of standard Kagi search.
  - dario_od 2y ago
    Isn't the problem that only google can crawl new reddit pages now?
freediver 2y ago
That would be a very wrong characterization of Kagi does with AI. We have a an AI integration philosophy that we have been following since day one. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/ai-philosophy.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/ai-philosophy.html The primary guideline of that philosophy is that any AI feature is opt-in and on-demand rather than being pushed down the user. So to characterize our efforts as you did, can at best be described as doing disservice to reality. Why the need for that?

nobodywasishere 2y ago

We do currently have a field to override the domain used for snaps (the `ad` field in the bangs repository[1]) which doesn't have much validation and is useful for situations like this. It's possible we'll expose this for custom bangs in the future, but for now I can add that as a bang to the main repository, as it seems like it would be generally useful. [1]: https://github.com/kagisearch/bangs?tab=readme-ov-file#bang-format https://github.com/kagisearch/bangs?tab=readme-ov-file#bang-...

nobodywasishere 2y ago
https://github.com/kagisearch/bangs/commit/55e8612cd5f19b292ba7b8007878c51c2e2efcf4 https://github.com/kagisearch/bangs/commit/55e8612cd5f19b292...

gherkinnn 2y ago

I would normally agree. But Kagi's AI thing doesn't annoy me in ways it does in other products. End a query in a "?" to get a quick summary with links to the sources. Normal search results below.