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> Why stop the drug? Why would you want to continue using a drug for the rest of your life? > Longterm glp-1 agonist research doesn't agree with this. Please
by Alupis 2y ago
> Why stop the drug?
Why would you want to continue using a drug for the rest of your life?
> Longterm glp-1 agonist research doesn't agree with this.
Please explain. If you stop using the drug, because you've achieved your goals, what stops you from relapsing other than your own personal habits and lifestyle?
> A small % of people are able to achieve significant weight loss with diet and exercise. And an even smaller % of that group are able to maintain it for the long term. We've been trying to solve obesity this way for a 50 years and have bubkis to show for it. If someone has high cholesterol we give them a statin, if they have high blood sugar we give them diabetes. Now if they're overweight we give them ozempic.
Yes, a pill for this, a pill for that... and there's no chance we'll discover these drugs have negative effects when used by a person for 50 years.
- JamesBarney 2y ago> Why would you want to continue using a drug for the rest of your life? It's better than being obese. This is true of most drugs for chronic conditions. very few of them are curative, almost all of them treat the condition. > Longterm glp-1 agonist research doesn't agree with this. Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant with continued treatment you don't rebound. > Yes, a pill for this, a pill for that... and there's no chance we'll discover these drugs have negative effects when used by a person for 50 years. They might have negative side effects but obesity has very large negative side effects. I would be incredibly surprised if any of these drugs that have been used in diabetes treatment for a long time have anywhere close to the negative side effects of obesity.
- Alupis 2y ago[flagged]
- catlikesshrimp 2y agoFalse. (All) People crave for food. Some people have stronger craving than others. In healthy people you call it "hunger". In obese people it is more like an addiction. Do you know people can be addictes to sex and to work, too? If you insist on the choice argument, the only way an addict can stop consuming is locking himself in a room and throwing away the key. Other than that, much help is needed, many changes are needed, and even chemicals are needed. "Choice" is victim blaming
- gooosle 2y agoAll you're saying is the it's harder to make some choices depending on situation. They are still 100% choices. Choices don't have to be trivially easy.
- JamesBarney 2y agoHow much less likely do you think someone with high self control is to not be obese? 12%. Which shows that your intuitions about obesity and the causes are probably wrong. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3717171/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3717171/
- gooosle 2y agoSomeone with high self control that wants to be non-obese, has a nearly 100% chance of accomplishing that goal. Literally by definition.
- mort96 2y agoLacking the ability to do something is, typically, not a choice.
- gooosle 2y agoYou don't need any 'ability' to not stuff donuts in your hole.
- rixed 2y ago> they lack the ability (...) but that is still a choice. Typo?
- PlattypusRex 2y agoBlaming victims and being ignorant is a choice, one you made multiple times in this thread.
- kortex 2y agoHot take: "choice" is a myth when it comes to long-term executive processing, one doesn't choose to be obese/not, drug addicted/not, etc, the same way one chooses whether they want chicken or beef ramen for lunch. It's an unending grind of executive functioning against more basal impulses, that is heavily influenced by the blend of nature and nurture and life events.
- loki-ai 2y agobeing a hard determinist is not exactly a hot take…
- tikhonj 2y ago> Why would you want to continue using a drug for the rest of your life? Because it is a substantial net benefit to your life? Same reason I might want to continue with, say, a regular exercise routine or meditation practice.