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Well said thread. The whole "Cybercab" event had me thinking "who is actually believing this? This just feels like stock fraud". I don't want to be that cynica

by jprd 2y ago

Well said thread. The whole "Cybercab" event had me thinking "who is actually believing this? This just feels like stock fraud". I don't want to be that cynical. I want to drive a car that is all torque and no fumes. I mean, the "Cybercabs", THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROLS. Where is that going to be legal in 2-3 years?

wcoenen 2y ago
If SF, LA and Phoenix are already allowing Waymo cars that don't have anyone in the driving seat, then why not cars without controls? What's so special about leaving out the controls after having eliminated the driver?
- andrewmcwatters 2y ago
  First responder overrides exist for Waymo.
- ahahahahah 2y ago
  > What's so special about leaving out the controls after having eliminated the driver? Waymo can give direct control of their vehicles to police or others when appropriate. This mitigates the cost of potential edge cases.
- HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
  There was a recent evaluation of Tesla's latest self-driving software that showed it's still only averaging 13 miles between necessary human interventions, so comparison with Waymo at this point seems wishful thinking.
decafninja 2y ago
Next year, President Trump, 47th, last, and eternal PoTUS, will reward Elon for his support by legalizing Unsupervised FSD and Tesla Robotaxi across the entire country while prosecuting Waymo and Cruise for tech heresy. Uber, Lyft, and NYC taxi drivers will also be prosecuted for heresy just to be sure. Elon will be appointed to a new cabinet position - the Fabricator General and will be given license to lobotomize people into servitors - AKA Optimus. This will also allow for true FS(ervitor)D. I’m joking of course. I think.
ensignavenger 2y ago
Within the Boring Companies tunnels? Other private roads and campuses? Of course, that isn't going to drive high sales figures. It sounds more like a specialized vehicle for a narrow market, but the self driving technology should be applicable across their product lines.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  ‘Self-driving’ vehicles (they really run on virtual rails, in practice) for private roads have been around for a while now. They’re generally buses, and it’s _super-niche_; there just aren’t that many obvious use cases.

by jprd 2y ago

wcoenen 2y ago

If SF, LA and Phoenix are already allowing Waymo cars that don't have anyone in the driving seat, then why not cars without controls? What's so special about leaving out the controls after having eliminated the driver?

andrewmcwatters 2y ago
First responder overrides exist for Waymo.
ahahahahah 2y ago
> What's so special about leaving out the controls after having eliminated the driver? Waymo can give direct control of their vehicles to police or others when appropriate. This mitigates the cost of potential edge cases.
HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
There was a recent evaluation of Tesla's latest self-driving software that showed it's still only averaging 13 miles between necessary human interventions, so comparison with Waymo at this point seems wishful thinking.

decafninja 2y ago

Next year, President Trump, 47th, last, and eternal PoTUS, will reward Elon for his support by legalizing Unsupervised FSD and Tesla Robotaxi across the entire country while prosecuting Waymo and Cruise for tech heresy. Uber, Lyft, and NYC taxi drivers will also be prosecuted for heresy just to be sure. Elon will be appointed to a new cabinet position - the Fabricator General and will be given license to lobotomize people into servitors - AKA Optimus. This will also allow for true FS(ervitor)D. I’m joking of course. I think.

ensignavenger 2y ago

Within the Boring Companies tunnels? Other private roads and campuses? Of course, that isn't going to drive high sales figures. It sounds more like a specialized vehicle for a narrow market, but the self driving technology should be applicable across their product lines.

rsynnott 2y ago
‘Self-driving’ vehicles (they really run on virtual rails, in practice) for private roads have been around for a while now. They’re generally buses, and it’s _super-niche_; there just aren’t that many obvious use cases.