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Minimalism is in direct opposition to first-order retrievability. Very common example: home kitchens have cabinets, commercial kitchens have shelves and racks.

Minimalism is in direct opposition to first-order retrievability. Very common example: home kitchens have cabinets, commercial kitchens have shelves and racks. When speed really matters, the cabinet doors need to go.

tedd4u 2y ago
Our home kitchen has cabinets that are mostly transparent glass. Worst of both worlds? The clutter is easily visible but access is slowed. Really though, I think there is a purpose: doors keep the dust and grease of the kitchen environment away from the items in the cabinets.
AlienRobot 2y ago
But why is speed the only thing that matters all the time? Kitchens still have cabinets. Where are my cluttered websites at? I don't think every single website needs "speed." Specially when I go to some websites sometimes and they have a 2 megapixel PNG as favicon but a minimalist, border-rounded flat designe Wordpress theme.
- alanbernstein 2y ago
  It's ok for every person to have their own preferences on this. Gmail has an information density setting, I always keep mine at "compact", and I can't relate to anyone who uses another option. But it doesn't bother me that they do.
- CrimsonCape 2y ago
  I think you are overestimating the ease of building UI controls. WPF for Windows represents the most advanced system that Microsoft developed, it's very complicated, and there's no real equivalent API for web. The concept of WPF's Visual allows deep customization of a control and lets you build your own primitives. You could build your own Clippy.
m3kw9 2y ago
At home, feeling relaxation is important. Some interface, vibe is as important as the interface like music apps for example. You don’t want some monotone ui that can kill vibes. Music UI is probably the hardest to do
m463 2y ago
Having things in plain sight is really critical to keep most people on track. If people work without things in plain sight, it is because they have committed what is out-of-sight to memory, which is kind of an ongoing burden. My tool chest is sort of a hybrid - the drawers are sort of an index, and when you open the "screwdrivers" drawer, they are all in plain sight to choose (and return). I wish more house cabinets had wide shallow drawers to solve other problems this way.

tedd4u 2y ago

Our home kitchen has cabinets that are mostly transparent glass. Worst of both worlds? The clutter is easily visible but access is slowed. Really though, I think there is a purpose: doors keep the dust and grease of the kitchen environment away from the items in the cabinets.

AlienRobot 2y ago

But why is speed the only thing that matters all the time? Kitchens still have cabinets. Where are my cluttered websites at? I don't think every single website needs "speed." Specially when I go to some websites sometimes and they have a 2 megapixel PNG as favicon but a minimalist, border-rounded flat designe Wordpress theme.

alanbernstein 2y ago
It's ok for every person to have their own preferences on this. Gmail has an information density setting, I always keep mine at "compact", and I can't relate to anyone who uses another option. But it doesn't bother me that they do.
CrimsonCape 2y ago
I think you are overestimating the ease of building UI controls. WPF for Windows represents the most advanced system that Microsoft developed, it's very complicated, and there's no real equivalent API for web. The concept of WPF's Visual allows deep customization of a control and lets you build your own primitives. You could build your own Clippy.

m3kw9 2y ago

At home, feeling relaxation is important. Some interface, vibe is as important as the interface like music apps for example. You don’t want some monotone ui that can kill vibes. Music UI is probably the hardest to do

m463 2y ago

Having things in plain sight is really critical to keep most people on track. If people work without things in plain sight, it is because they have committed what is out-of-sight to memory, which is kind of an ongoing burden. My tool chest is sort of a hybrid - the drawers are sort of an index, and when you open the "screwdrivers" drawer, they are all in plain sight to choose (and return). I wish more house cabinets had wide shallow drawers to solve other problems this way.