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The interesting thing is, it is hard to tell which side you are talking about here. I've heard exactly the same thing from both the left and the right.

marxisttemp 2y ago
Is it? Is it really hard to tell? This isn’t about what you’ve “heard from both sides”. Which actual rights is the left seeking to take away that would make you so confused about which side is being referred to?
- bongoman42 2y ago
  The left is not angelic in this regard. The right to self-defense. The assault against merit in hiring and education. Large parts of the left are explicitly pro-violence and anti-women as long as it is perpetrated by Islamists.
- caeril 2y ago
  Yes, it's hard to tell if you're capable of objectively viewing the absurdity of modern politics. The left is very clearly attempting to curtail the right to free speech, free association, and economic freedom. The right is very clearly attempting to curtail the reproductive rights of women, and freedom of movement across borders. Sure, if you're inured to the "my side is angelic, and the other side is evil", it's easy to tell. But stepping outside of that, it's pretty clear that both sides are gunning for their own specific versions of tyranny.
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  - bongoman42 2y ago
    This is actually a good breakdown of the two sides. There is an additional thing that the divergence between the people at the top of the two parties and their respective bases is far larger in the case of the left. And the inclusivity of the left has brought together several groups that are highly antithetical to each other and makes for far less predictable and unstable leadership.
  - marxisttemp 2y ago
    > The left is very clearly attempting to curtail the right to free speech How? > free association, How? > and economic freedom. How?
IOT_Apprentice 2y ago
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- dang 2y ago
  Could you please stop posting in the flamewar style? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly (e.g. here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41586950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41586950, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41586926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41586926. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, and we've had to ask you this before. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. (p.s. this is not an objection to your views. Plenty of other HN commenters express similar views while respecting the site guidelines. If you'd do that as well, that would be good.)

marxisttemp 2y ago

Is it? Is it really hard to tell? This isn’t about what you’ve “heard from both sides”. Which actual rights is the left seeking to take away that would make you so confused about which side is being referred to?

bongoman42 2y ago
The left is not angelic in this regard. The right to self-defense. The assault against merit in hiring and education. Large parts of the left are explicitly pro-violence and anti-women as long as it is perpetrated by Islamists.
caeril 2y ago
Yes, it's hard to tell if you're capable of objectively viewing the absurdity of modern politics. The left is very clearly attempting to curtail the right to free speech, free association, and economic freedom. The right is very clearly attempting to curtail the reproductive rights of women, and freedom of movement across borders. Sure, if you're inured to the "my side is angelic, and the other side is evil", it's easy to tell. But stepping outside of that, it's pretty clear that both sides are gunning for their own specific versions of tyranny.
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- bongoman42 2y ago
  This is actually a good breakdown of the two sides. There is an additional thing that the divergence between the people at the top of the two parties and their respective bases is far larger in the case of the left. And the inclusivity of the left has brought together several groups that are highly antithetical to each other and makes for far less predictable and unstable leadership.
- marxisttemp 2y ago
  > The left is very clearly attempting to curtail the right to free speech How? > free association, How? > and economic freedom. How?

IOT_Apprentice 2y ago

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dang 2y ago
Could you please stop posting in the flamewar style? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly (e.g. here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41586950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41586950, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41586926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41586926. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, and we've had to ask you this before. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. (p.s. this is not an objection to your views. Plenty of other HN commenters express similar views while respecting the site guidelines. If you'd do that as well, that would be good.)