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"Well taxi's only have four seats, and four is basically three, which when you really think about it is only two" IDK it just seems weird to me how completely

"Well taxi's only have four seats, and four is basically three, which when you really think about it is only two" IDK it just seems weird to me how completely unimaginative the Cybertaxi is. Its ostensibly a revolution in transportation but everything about the form and function is essentially identical to an unpainted 2011 Honda CR-Z. It makes zero effort to imagine how a driverless car could be different or better in fundamental ways, which makes the Cybertaxi just another small incremental step in the decade long procession of broken self driving promises from Elon.

jillesvangurp 2y ago
Many taxis shield off the driver; so the front right seat is not available for passengers. That's why I said two. In any case. The vast majority of rides is just one passenger, regardless of the size of the vehicle.
- enragedcacti 2y ago
  Ignoring for a moment that three is still more than two, drivers in the US don't love it but its usually fine if you are respectful and have a reason, especially in an Uber or Lyft. Elsewhere its more common to sit up front or even considered rude not to. Regardless, I think your argument speaks to my point. Even if the cybertaxi compares similarly in capability to a traditional taxi, Tesla isn't positioning it as one, they are positioning it as the vehicle of the future but the design betrays a complete lack of imagination for what that future will look like beyond playing Cyberpunk on your commute. Why should we be comparing it solely against the 2% niche of vehicle miles in ridehailing instead of the other 98% that its promising to make obsolete?
  - oblio 2y ago
    It's literally named "Robotaxi", plus what makes you think people want to give ownership so easily?
    - enragedcacti 2y ago
      Ahh, well if taxi is in the name then we are obligated to ignore everything else he said about democratizing transport, eliminating the concept of parking, etc. I'm not saying people won't want to own their own robocar, I'm saying this robocar is not particularly suited to ownership or to dedicated ridehailing or to really anything other than looking like a car Mr. Bladerunner from the hit movie Bladerunner would drive.
      - oblio 2y ago
        Musk has said many a things that bump his share price. I wish someone did one of those fact checkers for his Tesla statements, I doubt he's at 50% hit rate.

jillesvangurp 2y ago

Many taxis shield off the driver; so the front right seat is not available for passengers. That's why I said two. In any case. The vast majority of rides is just one passenger, regardless of the size of the vehicle.

enragedcacti 2y ago
Ignoring for a moment that three is still more than two, drivers in the US don't love it but its usually fine if you are respectful and have a reason, especially in an Uber or Lyft. Elsewhere its more common to sit up front or even considered rude not to. Regardless, I think your argument speaks to my point. Even if the cybertaxi compares similarly in capability to a traditional taxi, Tesla isn't positioning it as one, they are positioning it as the vehicle of the future but the design betrays a complete lack of imagination for what that future will look like beyond playing Cyberpunk on your commute. Why should we be comparing it solely against the 2% niche of vehicle miles in ridehailing instead of the other 98% that its promising to make obsolete?
- oblio 2y ago
  It's literally named "Robotaxi", plus what makes you think people want to give ownership so easily?
  - enragedcacti 2y ago
    Ahh, well if taxi is in the name then we are obligated to ignore everything else he said about democratizing transport, eliminating the concept of parking, etc. I'm not saying people won't want to own their own robocar, I'm saying this robocar is not particularly suited to ownership or to dedicated ridehailing or to really anything other than looking like a car Mr. Bladerunner from the hit movie Bladerunner would drive.
    - oblio 2y ago
      Musk has said many a things that bump his share price. I wish someone did one of those fact checkers for his Tesla statements, I doubt he's at 50% hit rate.