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I'm a fan of Wagtail, built on Django. Much more setup to get configured, but it's far more customizable and stable once you do.

openrisk 2y ago
wagtail is really not ready for prime time, maybe by design. in some respects its easier to use the django admin...
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  No idea where you are getting that from. It's used in production on plenty of sites.
  - openrisk 2y ago
    "used in production" is not the same as being a serious wordpress alternative. Would bet that none of those production deployments are without some non-negligible developer time investment. On top of that (assuming that extra investment is possible / desirable) the abstractions layered on top of django are quite opaque and have a steep learning curve. Having to code standard CMS functionalities becomes an eye-rolling exercise.
    - ruthmarx 2y ago
      > "used in production" is not the same as being a serious wordpress alternative. You only said you thought it wasn't ready for prime time, which I think a reasonable interpretation is that you were saying you didn't think it was ready for production use. > Would bet that none of those production deployments are without some non-negligible developer time investment. That's the thing, I think the time invested is pretty negligible. Especially when compared to maintaining wordpress and having to deal with plugin craziness. > Having to code standard CMS functionalities becomes an eye-rolling exercise. You only really have to setup models for pages, tags, categories etc, after that the editor is incredibly functional.
- lbbenjohnston 2y ago
  I think Wagtail is better suited for sites that want a lot more control over the base HTML, page output and data models. WordPress may be a bit directly comparable to https://www.coderedcorp.com/cms/ https://www.coderedcorp.com/cms/ It's just a few extensions on Wagtail that let you get started with common page models for blogging and generic websites out of the box. I often think of Wagtail as a framework for building your CMS, where as WordPress is a pre-built CMS. Disclaimer: I'm on the Wagtail core team.
  - openrisk 2y ago
    I tried to like wagtail the way I love django but the chemistry didn't work out :-). Indeed I think its more suited for serious publishers that can dedicate the resource to build something major.

openrisk 2y ago

wagtail is really not ready for prime time, maybe by design. in some respects its easier to use the django admin...

ruthmarx 2y ago
No idea where you are getting that from. It's used in production on plenty of sites.
- openrisk 2y ago
  "used in production" is not the same as being a serious wordpress alternative. Would bet that none of those production deployments are without some non-negligible developer time investment. On top of that (assuming that extra investment is possible / desirable) the abstractions layered on top of django are quite opaque and have a steep learning curve. Having to code standard CMS functionalities becomes an eye-rolling exercise.
  - ruthmarx 2y ago
    > "used in production" is not the same as being a serious wordpress alternative. You only said you thought it wasn't ready for prime time, which I think a reasonable interpretation is that you were saying you didn't think it was ready for production use. > Would bet that none of those production deployments are without some non-negligible developer time investment. That's the thing, I think the time invested is pretty negligible. Especially when compared to maintaining wordpress and having to deal with plugin craziness. > Having to code standard CMS functionalities becomes an eye-rolling exercise. You only really have to setup models for pages, tags, categories etc, after that the editor is incredibly functional.
lbbenjohnston 2y ago
I think Wagtail is better suited for sites that want a lot more control over the base HTML, page output and data models. WordPress may be a bit directly comparable to https://www.coderedcorp.com/cms/ https://www.coderedcorp.com/cms/ It's just a few extensions on Wagtail that let you get started with common page models for blogging and generic websites out of the box. I often think of Wagtail as a framework for building your CMS, where as WordPress is a pre-built CMS. Disclaimer: I'm on the Wagtail core team.
- openrisk 2y ago
  I tried to like wagtail the way I love django but the chemistry didn't work out :-). Indeed I think its more suited for serious publishers that can dedicate the resource to build something major.