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I'm boycotting Apple

13 points by vibrunazo 14y ago

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petethepig 14y ago
Selling all your apple stuff just because of their lawsuits? Isn't that silly? Why should I, as a customer, even care about it? All I need is a good product (and affordable price, which is arguably).
- justinschuh 14y ago
  It sounds like you're arguing that morality and ethics should have no bearing in a purchasing decision.
  - ecubed 14y ago
    In the end, if its a better product, I'll use it. The courts and judges know infinitely more than I will ever know about patent law, so I'm not going to run around passing judgement on companies based on a field I'm clearly not an expert in.
    - jamesbanner 14y ago
      Agree with your views fully. The article is nothing more than fanboyism at it's best.
kdsudac 14y ago
Disclaimer: I've been a long time apple hater so take what I say with a grain of salt. I get particularly annoyed when people describe Apple as an innovator. They're really just a mainstream cross over hit, while the real innovators never get the spotlight. Apple is: incredible at business; excellent at marketing; great at product design; mediocre at innovation; How much of a MacBook Pro is Apple innovation? and how much of it is doing a great job of pulling together supplier's innovations with some great design and system integration? Even OSX and iOS are derivatives of BSD.
- nothacker 14y ago
  I think when they talk about Apple as an innovator they mean innovative design. I agree that they haven't so much introduced products that changed the world because they were scratching an itch that hadn't previously been scratched- they just provide a much more stylish and cooler way to scratch the itch.
- pvidler 14y ago
  > How much of a MacBook Pro is Apple innovation? and how much of it is doing a great job of pulling together supplier's innovations with some great design and system integration? And how much was it that suppliers were being pushed by Apple into being 'innovative'? Would anyone be producing laptop size retina panels if not for Apple's demand? How long would we have waited for retina laptops if we had to rely on HP, Dell, etc.? Combining old components into new products can be just as innovative as creating new components themselves. Innovation is not restricted to the lowest levels. Edit: let me clarify this a bit. If apple goes to LCD panel suppliers and says 'you only support 1080p in this size, but give us 2880x1800 and we'll buy x million units', is it the supplier who's being innovative? Remember that apple also had to get nvidia to produce a mobile graphic chip with a much higher max. resolution -- it seems to me that it was Apple's vision of the whole that drove the innovation for the parts.
  - kdsudac 14y ago
    I noticed you answered my question by asking another question. You bring up an interesting point and I'll answer it; however, I'd appreciate it if you returned the favor and gave me a straight-forward answer to my question. Q: And how much was it that suppliers were being pushed by Apple into being 'innovative'? Would anyone be producing laptop size retina panels if not for Apple's demand? How long would we have waited for retina laptops if we had to rely on HP, Dell, etc.? A: I have no facts on this and probably only LG and Apple insiders really know. If I had to guess I'd say: LG has been in the display business for decades and have had a long R&D program to research how to make better displays. They (and other companies) figured out how to make very high-res displays at a cheaper price (i.e. they innovated). LG then shopped the technology to several suppliers. HP, Dell, etc. were interested but knew that such a product wasn't a good fit for their product mix and would be too expensive for their typical customer. Apple saw the opportunity (kudos to them) and are able to command a premium price from consumers so they locked up a deal with LG. Did Apple innovate? Personally, I'd just say they saw a market opportunity and ran with it. I guess the real point of difference here is how far we can/need/should stretch the word innovate. To put a twist on your metahphor: Your boss comes to you and says "hey if you can make X go 10 times faster for 50% less, they'll sell like crazy" You then spend a couple weeks figuring out how to achieve that goal. Does that mean he innovated by seeing a market need and setting a goal? No, he saw a market need and deserves a pat on the back for that. You innovated a solution and deserve a pat on the back for that.
holyjaw 14y ago
The first two paragraphs make it obvious the author hasn't a piece of apple equipment to boycott in the first place. That wasn't a well thought out opinion; it was a tech-pundit's idea of Mad-Libs. I want my page view back.
raganesh 14y ago
Did anyone else find it odd that 15 out of the total 20 articles the author has linked, to back up his arguments, are his own on the same site?
ap3 14y ago
"Apple is an amazing marketer" Love how he tries to downplay Apple engineering by bringing up marketing. IMO Apple is one of the top engineering companies around. Others mention their innovative design but look at how they engineer their products to fit into the design aesthetic. I do wish most of these superficial software pattents would go away, but don't say Apple is not innovative
anko 14y ago
in closing, he said; "I close by asking this: If Apple products are so innovative, why doesn't Apple compete rather than litigate?" I believe (and I'm not a lawyer) that you need to actively enforce your design patents or they expire. That said, I think patents in their current form are stupid, and patent reform is necessary. In the general sense, I believe Apple does innovate. Having their magsafe power adapter has safed my laptop countless times. They didn't invent magnetic power cables, but they are the first (and only that I know of) to do it in laptops. Where

13 points by vibrunazo 14y ago

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Selling all your apple stuff just because of their lawsuits? Isn't that silly? Why should I, as a customer, even care about it? All I need is a good product (and affordable price, which is arguably).

justinschuh 14y ago
It sounds like you're arguing that morality and ethics should have no bearing in a purchasing decision.
- ecubed 14y ago
  In the end, if its a better product, I'll use it. The courts and judges know infinitely more than I will ever know about patent law, so I'm not going to run around passing judgement on companies based on a field I'm clearly not an expert in.
  - jamesbanner 14y ago
    Agree with your views fully. The article is nothing more than fanboyism at it's best.

kdsudac 14y ago

Disclaimer: I've been a long time apple hater so take what I say with a grain of salt. I get particularly annoyed when people describe Apple as an innovator. They're really just a mainstream cross over hit, while the real innovators never get the spotlight. Apple is: incredible at business; excellent at marketing; great at product design; mediocre at innovation; How much of a MacBook Pro is Apple innovation? and how much of it is doing a great job of pulling together supplier's innovations with some great design and system integration? Even OSX and iOS are derivatives of BSD.

nothacker 14y ago
I think when they talk about Apple as an innovator they mean innovative design. I agree that they haven't so much introduced products that changed the world because they were scratching an itch that hadn't previously been scratched- they just provide a much more stylish and cooler way to scratch the itch.
pvidler 14y ago
> How much of a MacBook Pro is Apple innovation? and how much of it is doing a great job of pulling together supplier's innovations with some great design and system integration? And how much was it that suppliers were being pushed by Apple into being 'innovative'? Would anyone be producing laptop size retina panels if not for Apple's demand? How long would we have waited for retina laptops if we had to rely on HP, Dell, etc.? Combining old components into new products can be just as innovative as creating new components themselves. Innovation is not restricted to the lowest levels. Edit: let me clarify this a bit. If apple goes to LCD panel suppliers and says 'you only support 1080p in this size, but give us 2880x1800 and we'll buy x million units', is it the supplier who's being innovative? Remember that apple also had to get nvidia to produce a mobile graphic chip with a much higher max. resolution -- it seems to me that it was Apple's vision of the whole that drove the innovation for the parts.
- kdsudac 14y ago
  I noticed you answered my question by asking another question. You bring up an interesting point and I'll answer it; however, I'd appreciate it if you returned the favor and gave me a straight-forward answer to my question. Q: And how much was it that suppliers were being pushed by Apple into being 'innovative'? Would anyone be producing laptop size retina panels if not for Apple's demand? How long would we have waited for retina laptops if we had to rely on HP, Dell, etc.? A: I have no facts on this and probably only LG and Apple insiders really know. If I had to guess I'd say: LG has been in the display business for decades and have had a long R&D program to research how to make better displays. They (and other companies) figured out how to make very high-res displays at a cheaper price (i.e. they innovated). LG then shopped the technology to several suppliers. HP, Dell, etc. were interested but knew that such a product wasn't a good fit for their product mix and would be too expensive for their typical customer. Apple saw the opportunity (kudos to them) and are able to command a premium price from consumers so they locked up a deal with LG. Did Apple innovate? Personally, I'd just say they saw a market opportunity and ran with it. I guess the real point of difference here is how far we can/need/should stretch the word innovate. To put a twist on your metahphor: Your boss comes to you and says "hey if you can make X go 10 times faster for 50% less, they'll sell like crazy" You then spend a couple weeks figuring out how to achieve that goal. Does that mean he innovated by seeing a market need and setting a goal? No, he saw a market need and deserves a pat on the back for that. You innovated a solution and deserve a pat on the back for that.

holyjaw 14y ago

The first two paragraphs make it obvious the author hasn't a piece of apple equipment to boycott in the first place. That wasn't a well thought out opinion; it was a tech-pundit's idea of Mad-Libs. I want my page view back.

raganesh 14y ago

Did anyone else find it odd that 15 out of the total 20 articles the author has linked, to back up his arguments, are his own on the same site?

ap3 14y ago

"Apple is an amazing marketer" Love how he tries to downplay Apple engineering by bringing up marketing. IMO Apple is one of the top engineering companies around. Others mention their innovative design but look at how they engineer their products to fit into the design aesthetic. I do wish most of these superficial software pattents would go away, but don't say Apple is not innovative

anko 14y ago

in closing, he said; "I close by asking this: If Apple products are so innovative, why doesn't Apple compete rather than litigate?" I believe (and I'm not a lawyer) that you need to actively enforce your design patents or they expire. That said, I think patents in their current form are stupid, and patent reform is necessary. In the general sense, I believe Apple does innovate. Having their magsafe power adapter has safed my laptop countless times. They didn't invent magnetic power cables, but they are the first (and only that I know of) to do it in laptops. Where