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Also: > “The autonomous vehicles, we’re going to stop from operating on American roads, remember this,” Trump said.

by davedx 2y ago

spiderfarmer 2y ago
Well, apart from tax cuts for the rich he never followed through with anything he said and his voters will never hold him accountable for anything, ever, so you can safely ignore every thing he says.
- tobr 2y ago
  “Can’t trust anything” is not the same as “can safely ignore everything”. There’s nothing safe about it.
- linotype 2y ago
  Abortion is now illegal in dozens of states.
  - drewcoo 2y ago
    13 states https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/abortion-access-tool/US https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/abortion-access-tool...
  - ben_w 2y ago
    Wasn't that due to the supreme court deciding it wasn't up to the federal government?
    - linotype 2y ago
      Who nominates the justices to the US Supreme Court?
      - ben_w 2y ago
        De jure or de facto? One of the judges died in Obama's term, and senators explicitly declared they would not consider any nomination he made: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-stolen-supreme-court-seats-180962589/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-stolen-suprem...
  - spiderfarmer 2y ago
    What a legacy. He achieved so much.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
- forgot-im-old 2y ago
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ninjin 2y ago
Just days after Musk appeared and spoke strongly in favour of him at a Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania [1]. These are interesting times and people make very strange bed follows. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/style/elon-musk-donald-trump-campaign-rally.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/style/elon-musk-donald-tr... Then again, can we trust a word the man is saying? It all feels like shallow pandering. Plus, it may be worth going through the entire event at the Detroit Economic Club [2] to check the quote more clearly as at least one source quotes him as referencing PRC car automation with that statement, while expressing some general personal scepticism of autonomous driving [3]. [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-gQhP5fnw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-gQhP5fnw [3]: https://qz.com/donald-trump-self-driving-cars-avs-musk-tesla-robotaxi-1851670161 https://qz.com/donald-trump-self-driving-cars-avs-musk-tesla...
- malermeister 2y ago
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  - narrator 2y ago
    Reading any HN thread connected to Musk is so annoying because all the political obsessives come out and crapflood the thread with rants about "manbabies."
    - threeseed 2y ago
      The fault of that lies with Musk who has been trying endlessly to turn everything into a culture war.
      - forgot-im-old 2y ago
        [flagged]
    - malermeister 2y ago
      Reading anything connected to Musk is annoying because he crapfloods the internet being a manbaby.
watwut 2y ago
He is going to say exact opposite in a month and flip again and again until he does whatever random thing will ensure him random thing he wants in the moment.
jakeogh 2y ago
Good. They don't work, and they wont work. We are a decade into the hype cycle on 'cars that have self' and the proponents are stuck pretending that their best case demo, which is always going to crash into stupid stuff that a human would easily understand (in it's highly tested and constrained route) has 'self' to preserve.
- disillusioned 2y ago
  This is a reductive and far-too-pessimistic take when Waymo is completing more than 14,000 driverless trips per DAY and has completed over 15 million miles of driverless trips. That's not a "best case demo": it's a real system, working in real world environments, and even if they're "constrained" (and go ahead and look at the Phoenix service area and tell me how constrained it really is), they are functioning, now, today. There's one driving by my house as I type this. It's not mowing down children. It's not causing fatal accidents. Its incident rate is dramatically lower than human drivers, and its severe injury rate is lower still. We're a decade into the hype cycle because of how hard a problem this is to solve, and we're finally catching up with the right confluence of technologies at the right time (mostly around machine learning, machine vision, sensor fusion, LIDAR, reinforcement training, and computer power) to make it actually work. I can understand if you live outside a Waymo market that you might still believe this is still fairy tale "won't work" stuff, but when you live in a market where you see dozens of them every single day, doing their thing _unremarkably_, it's... well, it feels quite a bit like the future. Note that I'm speaking explicitly of Waymo here. Tesla FSD still terrifies me, vision-only seems like a horrible oversight, pun intended, and while it's meant to be non-constrained, it still has a very, very far way to go to close the gap with Waymo.
  - jakeogh 2y ago
    It wouldnt work even if you asserted a perfect record. The result is taking a robust fault (emergency) tolerant system and converting it into a fragile one without so much as a steering wheel. Your Waymo will stop when you dont want to.
  - MrMan 2y ago
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Also: > “The autonomous vehicles, we’re going to stop from operating on American roads, remember this,” Trump said.

by davedx 2y ago

Also: > “The autonomous vehicles, we’re going to stop from operating on American roads, remember this,” Trump said.

Well, apart from tax cuts for the rich he never followed through with anything he said and his voters will never hold him accountable for anything, ever, so you can safely ignore every thing he says.

tobr 2y ago
“Can’t trust anything” is not the same as “can safely ignore everything”. There’s nothing safe about it.
linotype 2y ago
Abortion is now illegal in dozens of states.
- drewcoo 2y ago
  13 states https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/abortion-access-tool/US https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/abortion-access-tool...
- ben_w 2y ago
  Wasn't that due to the supreme court deciding it wasn't up to the federal government?
  - linotype 2y ago
    Who nominates the justices to the US Supreme Court?
    - ben_w 2y ago
      De jure or de facto? One of the judges died in Obama's term, and senators explicitly declared they would not consider any nomination he made: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-stolen-supreme-court-seats-180962589/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-stolen-suprem...
- spiderfarmer 2y ago
  What a legacy. He achieved so much.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
forgot-im-old 2y ago
[flagged]

ninjin 2y ago

Just days after Musk appeared and spoke strongly in favour of him at a Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania [1]. These are interesting times and people make very strange bed follows. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/style/elon-musk-donald-trump-campaign-rally.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/style/elon-musk-donald-tr... Then again, can we trust a word the man is saying? It all feels like shallow pandering. Plus, it may be worth going through the entire event at the Detroit Economic Club [2] to check the quote more clearly as at least one source quotes him as referencing PRC car automation with that statement, while expressing some general personal scepticism of autonomous driving [3]. [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-gQhP5fnw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-gQhP5fnw [3]: https://qz.com/donald-trump-self-driving-cars-avs-musk-tesla-robotaxi-1851670161 https://qz.com/donald-trump-self-driving-cars-avs-musk-tesla...

malermeister 2y ago
[flagged]
- narrator 2y ago
  Reading any HN thread connected to Musk is so annoying because all the political obsessives come out and crapflood the thread with rants about "manbabies."
  - threeseed 2y ago
    The fault of that lies with Musk who has been trying endlessly to turn everything into a culture war.
    - forgot-im-old 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - malermeister 2y ago
    Reading anything connected to Musk is annoying because he crapfloods the internet being a manbaby.

watwut 2y ago

He is going to say exact opposite in a month and flip again and again until he does whatever random thing will ensure him random thing he wants in the moment.

jakeogh 2y ago

Good. They don't work, and they wont work. We are a decade into the hype cycle on 'cars that have self' and the proponents are stuck pretending that their best case demo, which is always going to crash into stupid stuff that a human would easily understand (in it's highly tested and constrained route) has 'self' to preserve.

disillusioned 2y ago
This is a reductive and far-too-pessimistic take when Waymo is completing more than 14,000 driverless trips per DAY and has completed over 15 million miles of driverless trips. That's not a "best case demo": it's a real system, working in real world environments, and even if they're "constrained" (and go ahead and look at the Phoenix service area and tell me how constrained it really is), they are functioning, now, today. There's one driving by my house as I type this. It's not mowing down children. It's not causing fatal accidents. Its incident rate is dramatically lower than human drivers, and its severe injury rate is lower still. We're a decade into the hype cycle because of how hard a problem this is to solve, and we're finally catching up with the right confluence of technologies at the right time (mostly around machine learning, machine vision, sensor fusion, LIDAR, reinforcement training, and computer power) to make it actually work. I can understand if you live outside a Waymo market that you might still believe this is still fairy tale "won't work" stuff, but when you live in a market where you see dozens of them every single day, doing their thing _unremarkably_, it's... well, it feels quite a bit like the future. Note that I'm speaking explicitly of Waymo here. Tesla FSD still terrifies me, vision-only seems like a horrible oversight, pun intended, and while it's meant to be non-constrained, it still has a very, very far way to go to close the gap with Waymo.
- jakeogh 2y ago
  It wouldnt work even if you asserted a perfect record. The result is taking a robust fault (emergency) tolerant system and converting it into a fragile one without so much as a steering wheel. Your Waymo will stop when you dont want to.
- MrMan 2y ago
  [dead]