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Ford and Cadillac have Level 2 systems, not Level 3. Tesla also has Level 2, but it is significantly more capable. (I don't think any of the others work on city

by wilg 2y ago

Ford and Cadillac have Level 2 systems, not Level 3. Tesla also has Level 2, but it is significantly more capable. (I don't think any of the others work on city streets at all, or even change lanes automatically based on navigation.) Mercedes is so limited to just technically qualify for Level 3 that it could be likely be trivially outmatched by some limited FSD conditions if that's the route Tesla wanted to go. But yeah I assume you start with some limited Level 3 subset, probably highway, then extend it to city streets. Then just start working your way through validating new conditions.

binoct 2y ago
Fair call out that bluecruise and supercruise are not actually L3
Limeray 2y ago
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oblio 2y ago
https://www.arenaev.com/mercedesbenz_drive_pilot_now_works_at_speed_up_to_95_km_h-news-3951.php https://www.arenaev.com/mercedesbenz_drive_pilot_now_works_a...
- wilg 2y ago
  ? this demonstrates the limitations of drive pilot. and its describe a feature that is not out until 2025. current limitations are 40mph on a straight line highway, no lane changes, navigation, etc
  - oblio 2y ago
    Mercedes, unlike every other automaker, including Tesla, *takes over legal liability* in those circumstances. They're putting their money where Musk's mouth is. And next year it will go up to 85kmph, close to highway speeds.
    - flutas 2y ago
      No they aren't. If you look at their wording, they are saying they are ready to defend themselves and their software, not that they will protect anyone from a lawsuit. The owners manual even explicitly states you are always the operator under drive pilot.
      - enragedcacti 2y ago
        > The owners manual even explicitly states you are always the operator under drive pilot. Just a straight up lie. The manual states: > The person in the driver's seat when DRIVE PILOT is activated is designated as the fallback-ready user and should be ready to take over control of the vehicle. > As soon as the driver steers, accelerates or brakes, the responsibility for driving and safe operation of the vehicle, including compliance with traffic regulations, will be returned to the driver.
        quonn 2y ago
        On other words, the product can just return control to the user at the moment when there is a problem, so they don‘t take responsibility.
        enragedcacti 2y ago
        IDK how you got that from what I quoted other than just wishcasting it to be the case. There is a 10 second handover window after which the car goes into an emergency stop procedure if the user hasn't taken control.
    - wilg 2y ago
      They’re taking legal liability when you are driving a straight line on selected freeways going less than 40mph and with a car in front of you to follow during the day. This doesn’t demonstrate advanced capability, just limited scope.
      - danso 2y ago
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by wilg 2y ago

binoct 2y ago

Fair call out that bluecruise and supercruise are not actually L3

Limeray 2y ago

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oblio 2y ago

https://www.arenaev.com/mercedesbenz_drive_pilot_now_works_at_speed_up_to_95_km_h-news-3951.php https://www.arenaev.com/mercedesbenz_drive_pilot_now_works_a...

wilg 2y ago
? this demonstrates the limitations of drive pilot. and its describe a feature that is not out until 2025. current limitations are 40mph on a straight line highway, no lane changes, navigation, etc
- oblio 2y ago
  Mercedes, unlike every other automaker, including Tesla, *takes over legal liability* in those circumstances. They're putting their money where Musk's mouth is. And next year it will go up to 85kmph, close to highway speeds.
  - flutas 2y ago
    No they aren't. If you look at their wording, they are saying they are ready to defend themselves and their software, not that they will protect anyone from a lawsuit. The owners manual even explicitly states you are always the operator under drive pilot.
    - enragedcacti 2y ago
      > The owners manual even explicitly states you are always the operator under drive pilot. Just a straight up lie. The manual states: > The person in the driver's seat when DRIVE PILOT is activated is designated as the fallback-ready user and should be ready to take over control of the vehicle. > As soon as the driver steers, accelerates or brakes, the responsibility for driving and safe operation of the vehicle, including compliance with traffic regulations, will be returned to the driver.
      - quonn 2y ago
        On other words, the product can just return control to the user at the moment when there is a problem, so they don‘t take responsibility.
        enragedcacti 2y ago
        IDK how you got that from what I quoted other than just wishcasting it to be the case. There is a 10 second handover window after which the car goes into an emergency stop procedure if the user hasn't taken control.
  - wilg 2y ago
    They’re taking legal liability when you are driving a straight line on selected freeways going less than 40mph and with a car in front of you to follow during the day. This doesn’t demonstrate advanced capability, just limited scope.
    - danso 2y ago
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