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You do realize that Waymos don't have drivers behind the wheel, right?

by spankalee 2y ago

iwaztomack 2y ago
I thought they had remote drivers to take over when shit goes south?
- AlotOfReading 2y ago
  No, remote operators are never in control of the vehicles. They give the computer hints about how to handle situations it's unable to resolve for itself, but the computer is ultimately still responsible for driving and maintaining the safety invariants. This is fundamentally different from FSD, where the human is always responsible for driving and maintaining the safety invariants.
  - iwaztomack 2y ago
    "They give the computer hints about how to handle situations" That's a cute euphemism for remote operators.
    - AlotOfReading 2y ago
      It entails a completely different division of responsibilities and safety profile. Specifically, it's one of the critical differences between SAE levels 2/3 and level 4: https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/j3016/J3016_table.jpg https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/j3016/J3016_table.jpg To give an analogy, let's say you use a credit card. A machine processes the payment most of the time, but occasionally something looks suspicious, so it denies the payment and sends a message to a human (you) asking whether the next payment should be allowed. Do you consider yourself to be a "driver" in this system? If so, imagine a system where all payments flash by onscreen for a human that's tasked with stopping erroneous approvals in realtime. Are humans doing the essentially the same job in this system such that both roles are "drivers"?
lopkeny12ko 2y ago
You do realize you cannot buy a Waymo for your own use? You do realize Waymo will only operate in geofenced areas in select cities that have been premapped down to the millimeter? Waymo is not even remotely close, nor attempting to solve the same problem. This is coming from someone who lives in SF and takes Waymo regularly. Waymo is a cool tech demo and that's about it; FSD is a real tool that people everywhere can actually use to take them where they want to go.
- minwcnt5 2y ago
  I don't know what to say man, Waymo takes me where I want to go several times a week (why would anyone be a repeat customer if it was just a demo?). My Tesla with FSD can't take me anywhere without me monitoring it.
- gitaarik 2y ago
  Everywhere they want to go? In an electric car? These taxis would probably only drive in big cities where there are enough charging stations and service centers.

You do realize that Waymos don't have drivers behind the wheel, right?

iwaztomack 2y ago

I thought they had remote drivers to take over when shit goes south?

AlotOfReading 2y ago
No, remote operators are never in control of the vehicles. They give the computer hints about how to handle situations it's unable to resolve for itself, but the computer is ultimately still responsible for driving and maintaining the safety invariants. This is fundamentally different from FSD, where the human is always responsible for driving and maintaining the safety invariants.
- iwaztomack 2y ago
  "They give the computer hints about how to handle situations" That's a cute euphemism for remote operators.
  - AlotOfReading 2y ago
    It entails a completely different division of responsibilities and safety profile. Specifically, it's one of the critical differences between SAE levels 2/3 and level 4: https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/j3016/J3016_table.jpg https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/j3016/J3016_table.jpg To give an analogy, let's say you use a credit card. A machine processes the payment most of the time, but occasionally something looks suspicious, so it denies the payment and sends a message to a human (you) asking whether the next payment should be allowed. Do you consider yourself to be a "driver" in this system? If so, imagine a system where all payments flash by onscreen for a human that's tasked with stopping erroneous approvals in realtime. Are humans doing the essentially the same job in this system such that both roles are "drivers"?

lopkeny12ko 2y ago

You do realize you cannot buy a Waymo for your own use? You do realize Waymo will only operate in geofenced areas in select cities that have been premapped down to the millimeter? Waymo is not even remotely close, nor attempting to solve the same problem. This is coming from someone who lives in SF and takes Waymo regularly. Waymo is a cool tech demo and that's about it; FSD is a real tool that people everywhere can actually use to take them where they want to go.

minwcnt5 2y ago
I don't know what to say man, Waymo takes me where I want to go several times a week (why would anyone be a repeat customer if it was just a demo?). My Tesla with FSD can't take me anywhere without me monitoring it.
gitaarik 2y ago
Everywhere they want to go? In an electric car? These taxis would probably only drive in big cities where there are enough charging stations and service centers.