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I don't understand how Apple, with all its money, doesn't have better facilities for dealing with this sort of thing - especially when they care so much about d

I don't understand how Apple, with all its money, doesn't have better facilities for dealing with this sort of thing - especially when they care so much about developer retainment.

zheng 14y ago
I'm not trying to be snarky, but apparently they don't care that much if they can't handle working with developers about an issue as simple as this. Even just telling them "We have decided not to reinstate your app, sorry" would be better than what they are doing.
cageface 14y ago
Until people start making more money in the other app stores Apple can be as abusive as they like. The unpublicized truth is that Apple barely breaks even on the app store as it is.
- micaeked 14y ago
  source?
  - britta 14y ago
    Here's a source from 2011: http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-02-23/industries/30702421_1_apple-shareholder-ceo-steve-jobs-tim-cook/3 http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-02-23/industries/307024... > Peter Oppenheimer, Apple’s chief financial officer, added that the company runs its App Store and iTunes store “just a little over break-even,” to counter claims that the company is trying to use apps to drive up its profits. saurik has also written a few comments about this - see here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4155998 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4155998 > ...despite their massive volume, Apple's App Store makes sufficiently little profit that they don't even break it out as a separate line item on their 10-Q (instead lumping it under "music related products and services", the same category that handles both iTunes and iBooks)
  - cageface 14y ago
    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-11/tech/29964545_1_app-store-gene-munster-apple http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-11/tech/29964545... http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_app_store_runs_just_above_break_even/ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_app_store_runs_...
- cageface 14y ago
  Don't misread me. I think Apple is way out of line here. But the best way to put pressure on them is to improve the alternatives.
SiVal 14y ago
I'm not sure why you think Apple cares so much about developers. Is it the warm glow they engineer for you at WWDC? Your question is perfectly natural, of course, given the way they flatter us developers in their keynotes. Just don't get caught in the reality distortion field. I've spent a lot of time working with Apple during good times and bad (for them), and even during bad times, the attitude toward third-party developers was that, if they weren't loyal followers, Apple didn't want them around anyway. I was astonished to hear this kind of thing repeatedly at Apple HQ back when I thought they should have been desperately trying to woo developers to save their platform from extinction. Now that they are on top of the world, imagine what their (real) attitude must be toward third-party developers. It's like the old Saturday Night Live parody of the phone company, when AT&T was still a monopoly: "We're the phone company. We don't care. We don't have to."
rimantas 14y ago
How about some context? Namely, the numbers of apps accepeted, downloaded and money paid to developers?

I don't understand how Apple, with all its money, doesn't have better facilities for dealing with this sort of thing - especially when they care so much about developer retainment.

zheng 14y ago

I'm not trying to be snarky, but apparently they don't care that much if they can't handle working with developers about an issue as simple as this. Even just telling them "We have decided not to reinstate your app, sorry" would be better than what they are doing.

cageface 14y ago

Until people start making more money in the other app stores Apple can be as abusive as they like. The unpublicized truth is that Apple barely breaks even on the app store as it is.

micaeked 14y ago
source?
- britta 14y ago
  Here's a source from 2011: http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-02-23/industries/30702421_1_apple-shareholder-ceo-steve-jobs-tim-cook/3 http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-02-23/industries/307024... > Peter Oppenheimer, Apple’s chief financial officer, added that the company runs its App Store and iTunes store “just a little over break-even,” to counter claims that the company is trying to use apps to drive up its profits. saurik has also written a few comments about this - see here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4155998 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4155998 > ...despite their massive volume, Apple's App Store makes sufficiently little profit that they don't even break it out as a separate line item on their 10-Q (instead lumping it under "music related products and services", the same category that handles both iTunes and iBooks)
- cageface 14y ago
  http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-11/tech/29964545_1_app-store-gene-munster-apple http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-11/tech/29964545... http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_app_store_runs_just_above_break_even/ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_app_store_runs_...
cageface 14y ago
Don't misread me. I think Apple is way out of line here. But the best way to put pressure on them is to improve the alternatives.

SiVal 14y ago

I'm not sure why you think Apple cares so much about developers. Is it the warm glow they engineer for you at WWDC? Your question is perfectly natural, of course, given the way they flatter us developers in their keynotes. Just don't get caught in the reality distortion field. I've spent a lot of time working with Apple during good times and bad (for them), and even during bad times, the attitude toward third-party developers was that, if they weren't loyal followers, Apple didn't want them around anyway. I was astonished to hear this kind of thing repeatedly at Apple HQ back when I thought they should have been desperately trying to woo developers to save their platform from extinction. Now that they are on top of the world, imagine what their (real) attitude must be toward third-party developers. It's like the old Saturday Night Live parody of the phone company, when AT&T was still a monopoly: "We're the phone company. We don't care. We don't have to."

rimantas 14y ago

How about some context? Namely, the numbers of apps accepeted, downloaded and money paid to developers?