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What would you say the bad part is for a BEV? Personally I hope to never drive another gas-powered vehicle, hybrid or not. I'm very much addicted to the conve

What would you say the bad part is for a BEV? Personally I hope to never drive another gas-powered vehicle, hybrid or not. I'm very much addicted to the convenience and performance of modern BEVs.

gambiting 2y ago
I drive across Europe few times a year and covering 800 miles in one day is difficult to do in almost every BEV, maybe with the exception of Teslas. Also I had to deal with chargers in Germany a few times and it's been a pain every time(the classic - charger requires an account, the account only accepts german-registered payment card). But I'm also perfectly happy to admit that it's fine and doable just requires adjustment of expectations, and even the charging network thing I'm sure has solutions if you plan beforehand.
- spockz 2y ago
  I got the tip from other BEV users for charging in Germany to go off the highway and find something like a shopping center/mall. There they had always plenty fast chargers and something convenient to do as well. Their built in navigation showed them the way. (This was bmw, not Tesla.)
- thatfrenchguy 2y ago
  I mean, you can use Tesla chargers with any car these days in the EU?
  - brnt 2y ago
    But they are a tiny minority of charging point, the market is quite diverse in Europe. And this whole setting up account, installing apps for each and every company, different in each and every country, is really off putting. I have no idea why they don't just use the kind of dumb payment terminals every unmanned carbohydrate station uses. Works with any card from any country all the time.
- rootusrootus 2y ago
  I hear you. This is a choice everyone has to make for themselves. Not everyone will have the same priorities or circumstances. My longest yearly trip is ~1200km, but that's like once a year. Several times a year I do a 500km trip. On the long haul the additional refueling stops make the trip about 10% longer, on the shorter trip it has more impact, about 15%. Caveat: this is in the western US and superchargers are invariably right next to the freeway, so they don't add much time to the trip. What really sold it for me was eliminating the trips to the gas station. That is a level of convenience it will be hard to give up. I'm in the market right now for a new second vehicle, since I'm eliminating the need for a thirsty HD pickup capable of towing our trailer, and what I'm finding is that the market for EVs is not great in the truck space. Couple choices, both with ups and downs, and a little bigger than what I'd prefer (C'mon, Toyota, make us an electric Tacoma). So I'm faced with having to get another ICE vehicle, and the inability to fuel at home bums me out.
  - amluto 2y ago
    This truck looks fantastic, aside from the minor issue that it’s nowhere near being an actual product: https://www.telotrucks.com/ https://www.telotrucks.com/

What would you say the bad part is for a BEV? Personally I hope to never drive another gas-powered vehicle, hybrid or not. I'm very much addicted to the convenience and performance of modern BEVs.

gambiting 2y ago

I drive across Europe few times a year and covering 800 miles in one day is difficult to do in almost every BEV, maybe with the exception of Teslas. Also I had to deal with chargers in Germany a few times and it's been a pain every time(the classic - charger requires an account, the account only accepts german-registered payment card). But I'm also perfectly happy to admit that it's fine and doable just requires adjustment of expectations, and even the charging network thing I'm sure has solutions if you plan beforehand.

spockz 2y ago
I got the tip from other BEV users for charging in Germany to go off the highway and find something like a shopping center/mall. There they had always plenty fast chargers and something convenient to do as well. Their built in navigation showed them the way. (This was bmw, not Tesla.)
thatfrenchguy 2y ago
I mean, you can use Tesla chargers with any car these days in the EU?
- brnt 2y ago
  But they are a tiny minority of charging point, the market is quite diverse in Europe. And this whole setting up account, installing apps for each and every company, different in each and every country, is really off putting. I have no idea why they don't just use the kind of dumb payment terminals every unmanned carbohydrate station uses. Works with any card from any country all the time.
rootusrootus 2y ago
I hear you. This is a choice everyone has to make for themselves. Not everyone will have the same priorities or circumstances. My longest yearly trip is ~1200km, but that's like once a year. Several times a year I do a 500km trip. On the long haul the additional refueling stops make the trip about 10% longer, on the shorter trip it has more impact, about 15%. Caveat: this is in the western US and superchargers are invariably right next to the freeway, so they don't add much time to the trip. What really sold it for me was eliminating the trips to the gas station. That is a level of convenience it will be hard to give up. I'm in the market right now for a new second vehicle, since I'm eliminating the need for a thirsty HD pickup capable of towing our trailer, and what I'm finding is that the market for EVs is not great in the truck space. Couple choices, both with ups and downs, and a little bigger than what I'd prefer (C'mon, Toyota, make us an electric Tacoma). So I'm faced with having to get another ICE vehicle, and the inability to fuel at home bums me out.
- amluto 2y ago
  This truck looks fantastic, aside from the minor issue that it’s nowhere near being an actual product: https://www.telotrucks.com/ https://www.telotrucks.com/