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> How enormous are we talking? > An impressive 8.63GB in size, a sizable chunk of all but the largest of drives. That feels pretty hyperbolic.

ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
Less than half a percent of a 2TB HDD.
- buildsjets 2y ago
  Goody for you - but I am stuck with a 512GB drive on a 2024 issued laptop (small capacity due to dAtA s3curiTy or some silliness, the defense industry is full of nonsense like that). I currently have 90.4 GB available, so this update would be consuming 10% of my available storage.
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  - doubled112 2y ago
    The BestBuy near me still sells laptops with 128GB SSDs. I can’t imagine the people who can’t machines like that are doing much, but 9GB is a big chunk of that.
  - navjack27 2y ago
    Well, that sounds like a work laptop, so you shouldn't really be doing much of anything personal on it except for work. If you have drive space problems, then talk to your work.
- dataflow 2y ago
  And your OS partition is how much of that? Mine is like 100GB and this would easily consume the majority of the free space it has left. And no, the rest of the space on the disk isn't just unallocated space sitting there for the OS to bloat into.
- tremon 2y ago
  My work laptop has only a 256GB disk for the OS. Now it's 4% of the entire disk. In contrast, my Linux desktop only uses 13GB of the 24GB allocated to the OS partition (excluding /opt and /home). Now that 8.6GB is 35% of the OS partition.
TheChaplain 2y ago
Coming from a time where 5¼ floppy disks were the norm, I'd say 8.6 gb undeletable garbage is rather wasteful.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  But it will soon be deletable. And coming from 5¼ floppy disks I expect you also consider Linux distros to be extravagant and wasteful. You must be gobsmacked every time you take a picture with your phone.
  - TheChaplain 2y ago
    > And coming from 5¼ floppy disks I expect you also consider Linux distros to be extravagant and wasteful. Not really, thankfully you have ability to slim them down to a small size. > You must be gobsmacked every time you take a picture with your phone. At least that is data I want?
    - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
      But they are still way more than 360 KB. I assume that's why you brought that up, as that's the point of reference - 360 KB per disk, making anything on a modern PC monstrous. And I wish it was only the data I want in my photos. They keep adding more things to each photo, and you end up with HDR and a little video file if you're not careful.
      - AstralStorm 2y ago
        There is a way to fit the kernel in 360 KB, but that's the most you'll get. Whole distros have been fit on a floppy disc. The kernel with ancillary embedded software in half a megabyte of flash easily. However, this kernel does much more than, say, C64 ever did. BPF and ACPI parser alone is bigger than BASIC, there's a network stack, multitasking etc. Multiple people have claimed you cannot do it with new kernels. They are wrong. (E.g. Floppinux by Jankowski.) Remember that a lot of the software back then took more than one disk. Amiga Workbench for example used 3 for 1.0 I believe... And that built off Kickstart, which is the true kernel and was extra 256 KB.
antisthenes 2y ago
No, it's not. Modern devs use the primary OS drive as a public restroom where people don't flush. Sure, 1 update is 9GB, but how many applications don't clean up after themselves regularly? Game launchers, browsers, code editors. I've noticed folders with gigabytes worth of logs, 3(!) previous installers being kept for some reason, etc. etc. This is rampant. My primary OS drive is not your hoarder parents' attic.
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- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  Also unlike my hoarder parent's attic I actually believe the promise that this will soon be cleaned up.
- olyjohn 2y ago
  It's not just modern devs, this has been an issue on Windows for a long as I can remember. There have been cache cleaners, registry cleaners, etc for as long as I can remember. Devs installing shit in the root of my C drive since the Win3.1 days and I'm sure earlier than that.
doubled112 2y ago
If I leave out the user data, that’s more disk space than some of my desktop Linux installs take with all of the apps included.
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ThrowawayTestr 2y ago

Less than half a percent of a 2TB HDD.

buildsjets 2y ago
Goody for you - but I am stuck with a 512GB drive on a 2024 issued laptop (small capacity due to dAtA s3curiTy or some silliness, the defense industry is full of nonsense like that). I currently have 90.4 GB available, so this update would be consuming 10% of my available storage.
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- doubled112 2y ago
  The BestBuy near me still sells laptops with 128GB SSDs. I can’t imagine the people who can’t machines like that are doing much, but 9GB is a big chunk of that.
- navjack27 2y ago
  Well, that sounds like a work laptop, so you shouldn't really be doing much of anything personal on it except for work. If you have drive space problems, then talk to your work.
dataflow 2y ago
And your OS partition is how much of that? Mine is like 100GB and this would easily consume the majority of the free space it has left. And no, the rest of the space on the disk isn't just unallocated space sitting there for the OS to bloat into.
tremon 2y ago
My work laptop has only a 256GB disk for the OS. Now it's 4% of the entire disk. In contrast, my Linux desktop only uses 13GB of the 24GB allocated to the OS partition (excluding /opt and /home). Now that 8.6GB is 35% of the OS partition.

TheChaplain 2y ago

Coming from a time where 5¼ floppy disks were the norm, I'd say 8.6 gb undeletable garbage is rather wasteful.

SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
But it will soon be deletable. And coming from 5¼ floppy disks I expect you also consider Linux distros to be extravagant and wasteful. You must be gobsmacked every time you take a picture with your phone.
- TheChaplain 2y ago
  > And coming from 5¼ floppy disks I expect you also consider Linux distros to be extravagant and wasteful. Not really, thankfully you have ability to slim them down to a small size. > You must be gobsmacked every time you take a picture with your phone. At least that is data I want?
  - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
    But they are still way more than 360 KB. I assume that's why you brought that up, as that's the point of reference - 360 KB per disk, making anything on a modern PC monstrous. And I wish it was only the data I want in my photos. They keep adding more things to each photo, and you end up with HDR and a little video file if you're not careful.
    - AstralStorm 2y ago
      There is a way to fit the kernel in 360 KB, but that's the most you'll get. Whole distros have been fit on a floppy disc. The kernel with ancillary embedded software in half a megabyte of flash easily. However, this kernel does much more than, say, C64 ever did. BPF and ACPI parser alone is bigger than BASIC, there's a network stack, multitasking etc. Multiple people have claimed you cannot do it with new kernels. They are wrong. (E.g. Floppinux by Jankowski.) Remember that a lot of the software back then took more than one disk. Amiga Workbench for example used 3 for 1.0 I believe... And that built off Kickstart, which is the true kernel and was extra 256 KB.

antisthenes 2y ago

No, it's not. Modern devs use the primary OS drive as a public restroom where people don't flush. Sure, 1 update is 9GB, but how many applications don't clean up after themselves regularly? Game launchers, browsers, code editors. I've noticed folders with gigabytes worth of logs, 3(!) previous installers being kept for some reason, etc. etc. This is rampant. My primary OS drive is not your hoarder parents' attic.

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SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
Also unlike my hoarder parent's attic I actually believe the promise that this will soon be cleaned up.
olyjohn 2y ago
It's not just modern devs, this has been an issue on Windows for a long as I can remember. There have been cache cleaners, registry cleaners, etc for as long as I can remember. Devs installing shit in the root of my C drive since the Win3.1 days and I'm sure earlier than that.

doubled112 2y ago

If I leave out the user data, that’s more disk space than some of my desktop Linux installs take with all of the apps included.

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