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>which means they certainly don’t align with human biology. After 15 years of veganism should I be dead? Pasture fed cattle is even less sustainable than the

>which means they certainly don’t align with human biology. After 15 years of veganism should I be dead? Pasture fed cattle is even less sustainable than the factory farm counterpart. Our ancestors had no choice, and many people around the world don’t either, but the majority of the developed world consumes cruel, environmentally and health destructive foods just for taste/ customs/ tradition.

AndrewKemendo 2y ago
I cooked a vegan meal nightly for 11 years when I was married, and we had many “pure” vegan friends. I’m exceptionally aware of the vegan lifestyle. I don’t know a single “pure” no honey, no casein, no red-40 etc…vegan that isn’t supplementing with iron, manganese, magnesium or something else to manange a nutrient deficiency. Further, there’s no sustainability or consistency in vegan macronutrient profiles. That is to say, unless you’re an Indian ascete you’re not going to get enough macro and micro from lentils, beans, etc… without significant difficulty. Further nutrient uptake rates are exceptionally well known to be in the low percentages for plant proteins versus exceptionally high for red meant from large herbivores. All that said, I’m not debating whether you can survive on a vegan diet, I acknowledged that you can. As to the other points I’m not going to go line by line however I will say that there’s a lot of misinformation about cattle/bison farming and carbon impact. I’d suggest looking at the Carbon Cowboys work and the sustainability of nomadic cattle herder tribes as effectively the most sustainable societies in humanity.
- neuralRiot 2y ago
  >I don’t know a single “pure” no honey, no casein, no red-40 etc…vegan that isn’t supplementing with iron, manganese, magnesium or something else to manange a nutrient deficiency. Hello! Here i am. The only supplement I regularly take (aside those for the gym) is B12 which is still overkill but better safe than sorry as most of vegan products are supplemented, one funny thing is that non- vegan foods are supplemented too as factory farmed animals don’t get their vitamins from natural sources either. If you stop to think that 900000 cows, 3.8 million pigs, and 202 million chickens are slaughtered EVERY SINGLE DAY, you’ll realize that the “nomadic cattle herders” are far from the realities of modern world, people love to cite innuit, aboriginal populations, and food deserts whenever veganism is brought up but nor you, me or most of the population belong to those groups, neither are they the problem, I kindly suggest you to look what are the consequences of factory farming, ethically and environmentally, we can live healthy and thrive without destroying our world.
  - AndrewKemendo 2y ago
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    - dang 2y ago
      Could you please stop breaking the site guidelines with personal swipes such as "I suggest you think harder"? You've been doing this in more than just this one comment (e.g. another was https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41811312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41811312). That's not cool. We're trying to avoid the internet style where people poke each other with sharp elbows. We want curious conversation. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

AndrewKemendo 2y ago

I cooked a vegan meal nightly for 11 years when I was married, and we had many “pure” vegan friends. I’m exceptionally aware of the vegan lifestyle. I don’t know a single “pure” no honey, no casein, no red-40 etc…vegan that isn’t supplementing with iron, manganese, magnesium or something else to manange a nutrient deficiency. Further, there’s no sustainability or consistency in vegan macronutrient profiles. That is to say, unless you’re an Indian ascete you’re not going to get enough macro and micro from lentils, beans, etc… without significant difficulty. Further nutrient uptake rates are exceptionally well known to be in the low percentages for plant proteins versus exceptionally high for red meant from large herbivores. All that said, I’m not debating whether you can survive on a vegan diet, I acknowledged that you can. As to the other points I’m not going to go line by line however I will say that there’s a lot of misinformation about cattle/bison farming and carbon impact. I’d suggest looking at the Carbon Cowboys work and the sustainability of nomadic cattle herder tribes as effectively the most sustainable societies in humanity.

neuralRiot 2y ago
>I don’t know a single “pure” no honey, no casein, no red-40 etc…vegan that isn’t supplementing with iron, manganese, magnesium or something else to manange a nutrient deficiency. Hello! Here i am. The only supplement I regularly take (aside those for the gym) is B12 which is still overkill but better safe than sorry as most of vegan products are supplemented, one funny thing is that non- vegan foods are supplemented too as factory farmed animals don’t get their vitamins from natural sources either. If you stop to think that 900000 cows, 3.8 million pigs, and 202 million chickens are slaughtered EVERY SINGLE DAY, you’ll realize that the “nomadic cattle herders” are far from the realities of modern world, people love to cite innuit, aboriginal populations, and food deserts whenever veganism is brought up but nor you, me or most of the population belong to those groups, neither are they the problem, I kindly suggest you to look what are the consequences of factory farming, ethically and environmentally, we can live healthy and thrive without destroying our world.
- AndrewKemendo 2y ago
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  - dang 2y ago
    Could you please stop breaking the site guidelines with personal swipes such as "I suggest you think harder"? You've been doing this in more than just this one comment (e.g. another was https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41811312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41811312). That's not cool. We're trying to avoid the internet style where people poke each other with sharp elbows. We want curious conversation. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.