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That's why I'm really skeptical about relying on large game engines. Sure, they offer a lot for a relatively low cost, but being dependent on whatever the devel

That's why I'm really skeptical about relying on large game engines. Sure, they offer a lot for a relatively low cost, but being dependent on whatever the developers include in their terms of service—and especially on the things left unsaid or that could be decided in court—makes me hesitant to use one.

krapp 2y ago
This isn't a problem if you use an open source engine that costs nothing and demands nothing. Cough Godot cough.
- ganoushoreilly 2y ago
  But even that Engine has its own drama / issues surrounding it with devs being locked out of access etc..
  - krapp 2y ago
    That drama was overblown, but it isn't stopping anyone from downloading the engine and using it.
- diath 2y ago
  Have you personally developed a game in Godot?
  - krapp 2y ago
    I have personally tried like the vast majority of people who use it and any other engine, including Unity, and have yet to succeed. Why?
  - singhrac 2y ago
    I think if you’re asking for games developed in Godot, Slay the Spire 2 will be in Godot (and it’s a pretty popular franchise).
wilg 2y ago
what? nothing about the runtime fee drama was about somthing left unsaid or decided in court. it was a pre-announced change to the pricing that they abandoned after people complained.
- tapoxi 2y ago
  It was a retroactive change. Suddenly people would have owed money for the runtime fee based on poorly defined per-install metrics that would have applied to demos, refunded copies, and subscription services like PlayStation Plus and Xbox Game Pass. They only backpedaled after people complained, but a retroactive fee was an insane breach of trust.
  - wilg 2y ago
    Oh, maybe I'm thinking of a second iteration, where it only applied to the next major version of Unity?
    - tapoxi 2y ago
      Yes after the intial blowback they fired the CEO and changed the terms so the runtime fee only applied to future versions. They also added an option to pay with 2.5% of self-reported revenue instead of a per-install fee, whichever is lesser. A month or so ago they realized the damage they had done and dropped the fee entirely, and bumped the cost of per-seat licenses instead.
- Maxatar 2y ago
  The change would have applied the new fee structure even to games that were released before the change, which was absolutely scummy behaviour.

krapp 2y ago

This isn't a problem if you use an open source engine that costs nothing and demands nothing. Cough Godot cough.

ganoushoreilly 2y ago
But even that Engine has its own drama / issues surrounding it with devs being locked out of access etc..
- krapp 2y ago
  That drama was overblown, but it isn't stopping anyone from downloading the engine and using it.
diath 2y ago
Have you personally developed a game in Godot?
- krapp 2y ago
  I have personally tried like the vast majority of people who use it and any other engine, including Unity, and have yet to succeed. Why?
- singhrac 2y ago
  I think if you’re asking for games developed in Godot, Slay the Spire 2 will be in Godot (and it’s a pretty popular franchise).

wilg 2y ago

what? nothing about the runtime fee drama was about somthing left unsaid or decided in court. it was a pre-announced change to the pricing that they abandoned after people complained.

tapoxi 2y ago
It was a retroactive change. Suddenly people would have owed money for the runtime fee based on poorly defined per-install metrics that would have applied to demos, refunded copies, and subscription services like PlayStation Plus and Xbox Game Pass. They only backpedaled after people complained, but a retroactive fee was an insane breach of trust.
- wilg 2y ago
  Oh, maybe I'm thinking of a second iteration, where it only applied to the next major version of Unity?
  - tapoxi 2y ago
    Yes after the intial blowback they fired the CEO and changed the terms so the runtime fee only applied to future versions. They also added an option to pay with 2.5% of self-reported revenue instead of a per-install fee, whichever is lesser. A month or so ago they realized the damage they had done and dropped the fee entirely, and bumped the cost of per-seat licenses instead.
Maxatar 2y ago
The change would have applied the new fee structure even to games that were released before the change, which was absolutely scummy behaviour.