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> I see it as part of a general trend where public spaces are tarnished by a general public that is unable to behave itself. It's easy to blame the people, whe

> I see it as part of a general trend where public spaces are tarnished by a general public that is unable to behave itself. It's easy to blame the people, when it comes to the folks who can't stop pulling out their cell phones many of them have been conditioned to act that way from a very young age. If we keep letting companies turn people into anxious iphone addicts it'll only get worse. They can't stay off their phones while driving, asking them to go for an hour and half without looking at their phone violates everything their phone has taught them about how to behave

ryandrake 2y ago
We need to stop excusing bad behavior (by people with agency and control over their bodies) with "well, corporations made them do it!" Cell phone companies are not turning people into inconsiderate jerks--they already are inconsiderate jerks, and their phone just provides them another way to be jerky to everyone.
- autoexec 2y ago
  > they already are inconsiderate jerks I've seen good people do it, and be embarrassed by it after I told them to put it away. It just doesn't make much sense that we've allowed behavioral conditioning to be carried out on the population multiple times a day, every single day, since before they could even read, if we're then going to be mad when some percentage of those people go on to act in exactly the way they've been trained to. Not everyone has been conditioned to that extent, or will be as susceptible, or at least not as susceptible to it all the time, but this should be the expected outcome. It'd actually be very weird and unexpected if no one ever pulled out their phones in theaters.
cjbgkagh 2y ago
If you're suggesting that accidently additive products and services be banned from use for the public good then I'm in 100% agreement. What I'm not sure of is how that could possibly be reliably achieved. I guess 'sin' taxes would a blend of freedom and prohibition but then you get a government that depends on the sin for it's revenue which sets up a rather perverse incentive. Like an alcohol tax in Russia, or indulgences for the Catholic church. TikTok is slowly destroying my sisters life and there is nothing anyone can do about it since she does not think it's a problem and she is an adult.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  >accidently additive Zynga and King do not hire psychologists because their products are "accidentally" addictive. None of this shit is "accidentally" addictive. They explicitly track "engagement" and screen time as metrics to increase. Addictivity is not an accident! This isn't like with drugs where we just pulled a chemical that already existed out of nature and it just happens to press the same pleasure center buttons as chemicals in our brain. These companies make their products addicting and addictive on purpose. It is the intended goal of most businesses today.
  - cjbgkagh 2y ago
    The accidentally addictive was purely to make it clear that intent is not required to be shown for a ban, only outcome. Accidentally or accidentally on purpose it does not matter.

ryandrake 2y ago

We need to stop excusing bad behavior (by people with agency and control over their bodies) with "well, corporations made them do it!" Cell phone companies are not turning people into inconsiderate jerks--they already are inconsiderate jerks, and their phone just provides them another way to be jerky to everyone.

autoexec 2y ago
> they already are inconsiderate jerks I've seen good people do it, and be embarrassed by it after I told them to put it away. It just doesn't make much sense that we've allowed behavioral conditioning to be carried out on the population multiple times a day, every single day, since before they could even read, if we're then going to be mad when some percentage of those people go on to act in exactly the way they've been trained to. Not everyone has been conditioned to that extent, or will be as susceptible, or at least not as susceptible to it all the time, but this should be the expected outcome. It'd actually be very weird and unexpected if no one ever pulled out their phones in theaters.

cjbgkagh 2y ago

If you're suggesting that accidently additive products and services be banned from use for the public good then I'm in 100% agreement. What I'm not sure of is how that could possibly be reliably achieved. I guess 'sin' taxes would a blend of freedom and prohibition but then you get a government that depends on the sin for it's revenue which sets up a rather perverse incentive. Like an alcohol tax in Russia, or indulgences for the Catholic church. TikTok is slowly destroying my sisters life and there is nothing anyone can do about it since she does not think it's a problem and she is an adult.

mrguyorama 2y ago
>accidently additive Zynga and King do not hire psychologists because their products are "accidentally" addictive. None of this shit is "accidentally" addictive. They explicitly track "engagement" and screen time as metrics to increase. Addictivity is not an accident! This isn't like with drugs where we just pulled a chemical that already existed out of nature and it just happens to press the same pleasure center buttons as chemicals in our brain. These companies make their products addicting and addictive on purpose. It is the intended goal of most businesses today.
- cjbgkagh 2y ago
  The accidentally addictive was purely to make it clear that intent is not required to be shown for a ban, only outcome. Accidentally or accidentally on purpose it does not matter.