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America spends $15k per child for education. That is a ridiculous amount of funding. I think most teachers are of the opinion that the educational decline is du

America spends $15k per child for education. That is a ridiculous amount of funding. I think most teachers are of the opinion that the educational decline is due to NCLB, Common Core, and other top-down initiatives that give them less power yet more responsibilities. Many teachers complain that 1-2 students disrupt a class of 25-30 students, but they can't do anything about it.

sellmesoap 2y ago
Even in Canada one of my kids decided to try a different school because their class was so disruptive.
autoexec 2y ago
The amount of money we spend "for education" isn't reflective of the money that goes to educating children. We have waste, corruption, and people stuffing their pockets everywhere. Schools spend more of that money on sports than actual teaching. In the end, criminally unpaid teachers have to buy even the most basic school supplies with their own money or beg parents to provide them for the over-crowded classrooms in buildings that are falling apart.
- trilbyglens 2y ago
  Just popping in to say that school sports are a fuckkng cancer that bleeds the educational system and produces nothing much of value aside from a tiny percent of sports scholarships, and good feelies for cheerleader moms. I despise school sports.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    I can see value in it. Fitness, teamwork, dealing with winning and losing, there are valuable lessons to be learned from sports. Gets kids outside too. It's extremely over-prioritized though, and over-funded. As the kids get older it even becomes exploitative.
EasyMark 2y ago
Teachers are simply overloaded and parents have given up responsibility for keeping their kids in check. Little Tommy can do no wrong and is just misunderstood. I personally feel if a child is disrupting class and the experience for others, out they go, back to the parents. Public education should be free, but it has to have conditions that your little Tommy isn’t messing it up for those who are there to learn. We’ve grown too lenient and expect teachers to be cops, therapists, babysitters instead of teachers and instructors. It should be more like college.
RickJWagner 2y ago
Can confirm classrooms are hazardous environments. (I have a son that teaches, and my wife substitute teaches.) Classroom discipline is hard to enforce. For women especially, the threat of violence is real. I wish it weren't true, but many long-time teachers say they do not recommend it as a career choice.
o11c 2y ago
I found slightly different numbers, but the exact details don't matter. If $12.5k is spent per child per year, and there are 20 children per classroom, that's $250k. Combining random sources (which use widely different divisions), I see numbers like: 60-90% instruction salary/benefit and related (higher numbers likely include non-teacher staff) 55-60% salaries 20-25% employee benefits (probably health insurance, which is really expensive in America no matter who pays for it) 5-20% capital/operations/contractors 10% administration 8% supplies 5-35% support (likely varies depending on what counts as "support") 0-5% debt 4% other

sellmesoap 2y ago

Even in Canada one of my kids decided to try a different school because their class was so disruptive.

autoexec 2y ago

The amount of money we spend "for education" isn't reflective of the money that goes to educating children. We have waste, corruption, and people stuffing their pockets everywhere. Schools spend more of that money on sports than actual teaching. In the end, criminally unpaid teachers have to buy even the most basic school supplies with their own money or beg parents to provide them for the over-crowded classrooms in buildings that are falling apart.

trilbyglens 2y ago
Just popping in to say that school sports are a fuckkng cancer that bleeds the educational system and produces nothing much of value aside from a tiny percent of sports scholarships, and good feelies for cheerleader moms. I despise school sports.
- autoexec 2y ago
  I can see value in it. Fitness, teamwork, dealing with winning and losing, there are valuable lessons to be learned from sports. Gets kids outside too. It's extremely over-prioritized though, and over-funded. As the kids get older it even becomes exploitative.

EasyMark 2y ago

Teachers are simply overloaded and parents have given up responsibility for keeping their kids in check. Little Tommy can do no wrong and is just misunderstood. I personally feel if a child is disrupting class and the experience for others, out they go, back to the parents. Public education should be free, but it has to have conditions that your little Tommy isn’t messing it up for those who are there to learn. We’ve grown too lenient and expect teachers to be cops, therapists, babysitters instead of teachers and instructors. It should be more like college.

RickJWagner 2y ago

Can confirm classrooms are hazardous environments. (I have a son that teaches, and my wife substitute teaches.) Classroom discipline is hard to enforce. For women especially, the threat of violence is real. I wish it weren't true, but many long-time teachers say they do not recommend it as a career choice.

o11c 2y ago

I found slightly different numbers, but the exact details don't matter. If $12.5k is spent per child per year, and there are 20 children per classroom, that's $250k. Combining random sources (which use widely different divisions), I see numbers like: 60-90% instruction salary/benefit and related (higher numbers likely include non-teacher staff) 55-60% salaries 20-25% employee benefits (probably health insurance, which is really expensive in America no matter who pays for it) 5-20% capital/operations/contractors 10% administration 8% supplies 5-35% support (likely varies depending on what counts as "support") 0-5% debt 4% other