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This isn't just distrust of the government and other public institutions. It's also distrust of: - first-hand reports from other people - private news network

by smt88 2y ago

This isn't just distrust of the government and other public institutions. It's also distrust of: - first-hand reports from other people - private news networks - the governments of other countries The scale and degree of this distrust of other people is new. Arguably the US government was far, far less trustworthy in the past, such as when it was massacring people in Vietnam or secretly conducting experiments on Black people. These revelations did not lead to meteorologists getting death threats.

gjsman-1000 2y ago
> first-hand reports from other people Anecdotal evidence? I thought we were supposed to reject that. > private news networks You mean rebranded affiliates? https://youtu.be/rknON89H35o?t=35 https://youtu.be/rknON89H35o?t=35 > the governments of other countries Are governments inherently trustworthy? I can do this all day. There is no end to fallacies of thought.
- pj_mukh 2y ago
  The idea that government institutions suddenly got more scandal ridden after 1990's is just pure golden age fallacy. News networks, twitter and podcasts got 100x better at making mountains out of mole-hills because they had continuous access to an audience to fine-tune their reaction engines. That's it.
- smt88 2y ago
  > Anecdotal evidence? I thought we were supposed to reject that. Not when it's thousands of people showing us photos and videos. It's not that it's impossible that [insert major event here] is a conspiracy, but you always have to ask: - is it possible for even a highly competent government to orchestrate this conspiracy with no whistleblowers? - what is the benefit of the conspiracy to the conspirators? - is the benefit of the conspiracy worth the effort? In the case of "faking a hurricane," there is no incentive (and in fact there are disincentives to being wrong about it for the meteorologists) and there is no possibly way to orchestrate that large of a conspiracy. If the CCP is unable to successfully disappear people or put Uyghurs in camps without people finding out about it, nothing this large could be pulled off in the US. > You mean rebranded affiliates? No, I mean the Weather Channel and others. > I can do this all day. There is no end to fallacies of thought. I don't think you're doing what you think you're doing.

by smt88 2y ago

gjsman-1000 2y ago

> first-hand reports from other people Anecdotal evidence? I thought we were supposed to reject that. > private news networks You mean rebranded affiliates? https://youtu.be/rknON89H35o?t=35 https://youtu.be/rknON89H35o?t=35 > the governments of other countries Are governments inherently trustworthy? I can do this all day. There is no end to fallacies of thought.

pj_mukh 2y ago
The idea that government institutions suddenly got more scandal ridden after 1990's is just pure golden age fallacy. News networks, twitter and podcasts got 100x better at making mountains out of mole-hills because they had continuous access to an audience to fine-tune their reaction engines. That's it.
smt88 2y ago
> Anecdotal evidence? I thought we were supposed to reject that. Not when it's thousands of people showing us photos and videos. It's not that it's impossible that [insert major event here] is a conspiracy, but you always have to ask: - is it possible for even a highly competent government to orchestrate this conspiracy with no whistleblowers? - what is the benefit of the conspiracy to the conspirators? - is the benefit of the conspiracy worth the effort? In the case of "faking a hurricane," there is no incentive (and in fact there are disincentives to being wrong about it for the meteorologists) and there is no possibly way to orchestrate that large of a conspiracy. If the CCP is unable to successfully disappear people or put Uyghurs in camps without people finding out about it, nothing this large could be pulled off in the US. > You mean rebranded affiliates? No, I mean the Weather Channel and others. > I can do this all day. There is no end to fallacies of thought. I don't think you're doing what you think you're doing.