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Proton is able to run just about anything now, not just games. Stop using Microsoft Operating Systems where you can and mark them as needing replacement with re

Proton is able to run just about anything now, not just games. Stop using Microsoft Operating Systems where you can and mark them as needing replacement with real software in all your reports.

lpapez 2y ago
The day when I can play Rocket League under Linux without anti-cheat kicking in is when I will stop using it completely. Until then, I am dual booting.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  The funny thing about this was that Rocket League was native on Linux and Psyonix removed Linux support.
  - ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago
    Epic bought them, moved it to the Epic Store which has no Linux support. Makes sense to drop it.
    - ZunarJ5 2y ago
      Lutris solves most of that problem. I installed Unreal Engine through it.
    - mock-possum 2y ago
      supporting Epic is one of the most shooting-yourself-in-the-foot moves you can make as a gamer.
      - ranger_danger 2y ago
        you could say the same about any corporation
- hcal 2y ago
  I run it on Linux everyday with Steam on Proton. It is my go to game on steamdeck and my Fedora desktop. By default steam wants to download the old old old Linux version that doesn't allow online play, but if you enable proton it will download the Windows version and run fine. I am pretty sure it doesn't have a real anti-cheat included.
  - twojacobtwo 2y ago
    Are you sure? Is this recent (last 6 months)? I enabled it and tested multiple versions of Proton with no success. Did you have to do anything else?
    - zamalek 2y ago
      In addition to making sure that the EAC runtime is installed, try setting the compatibility command to: SDL_VIDEODRIVER=windows,x11 %command% This is a typical problem with EAC.
      - hbn 2y ago
        Every thread that starts with "Linux gaming is basically 100% ready now" progresses into hacks like this :)
        moffkalast 2y ago
        To be fair, every thread that starts with "Win 11 can still be debloated" progresses into registry hacks too :)
    - hcal 2y ago
      I don't have to do anything else. I just use the current proton. I just installed it on the flatpak version too. No trouble.
- hypeatei 2y ago
  What? Rocket League works fine on Proton with no weirdness. Played a bunch of competitive matches with no issues whatsoever.
- thegeekpirate 2y ago
  Better say your last goodbyes in that case, as it's always worked perfectly =b Riot's Vanguard on the other hand, has unfortunately made it impossible to play LoL =c
blastersyndrome 2y ago
Can it run the most recent version of SolidWorks? Can it run any version of SolidWorks? If it can, I am switching to Linux immediately.
robotnikman 2y ago
The day Proton or WINE can run the whole Adobe suite of products is the day I will probably switch to using Linux full time.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  Would you consider replacing the Adobe suite with other products?
  - swatcoder 2y ago
    For many graphics professionals, that's like asking if you'd consider replacing C++ with Rust. There's one answer you might provide when you've the luxury to start things over and ramp up on all the differences, but practical reality is that you rarely have that luxury. Fluency and confidence in the tools you already use provides strong resistance to switching, even if alternatives promise they're ready to meet your needs.
    - Kenji 2y ago
      > For many graphics professionals, that's like asking if you'd consider replacing C++ with Rust. So, that's a yes?
      - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
        Imagine if no C++ compiler existed for your operating system. Even if most of the code you write is Rust, would you be able to use this operating system?
        BadHumans 2y ago
        I don't understand this analogy because every tool touted as a photoshop replacement supports PSD.
        Wowfunhappy 2y ago
atemerev 2y ago
No, Revit and other CADs are still not working.
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  Out of curiosity, what prevents that software from running on Proton? Is it something involving certified OpenGL drivers?
  - abe_m 2y ago
    I don't know about Revit, but Inventor and Solidworks are WIN32 API right to their very core. Basically everything in them is available on the COM interface as objects, which is awesome for writing extensions to the programs on Windows. I suspect the trade off is that they are so all-in on WIN32, that they just touch way more of the API than games do, so they probably expose much more of missing API. They both rely on Microsoft Office for a variety of functionality, particularly Excel to manage tables of data. They rely on SQL server for the Vault and PDM products. They are Windows based through-and-through.
imbusy111 2y ago
From my experience, it's still not a 100% replacement. For example, there are no drivers for a pretty common steering wheel (Logitech G923). There is a driver for an older version of the wheel that kind of works, but no TRUEFORCE support. And even then, you have to mess with some low level details to make it work, send magic values to the hardware on plugging it in. I also noticed that games from Steam end up taking up substantially more disk space to the point where I can have only a few games installed on Linux. And even the games without any special hardware dongles don't work so well as you imply.
- csdreamer7 2y ago
  > For example, there are no drivers for a pretty common steering wheel (Logitech G923). This is a nice, specific detail. Most of these comments are very vague. > There is a driver for an older version of the wheel that kind of works Do you mean an out of tree driver? Would you test this and post back? The 6.3 kernel they mentioned 3 months ago is very old and likely a forked kernel. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/vb0b37/g29g923_users_correct_guide_to_install_logitech/l9dimye/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/vb0b37/g29g92... I am new to steering wheels-not sure if this is the exact version because they mention xbox)? Try a distro with a very recent kernel (6.11; like Nobara for a gaming focused distro). > I also noticed that games from Steam end up taking up substantially more disk space to the point where I can have only a few games installed on Linux. Shouldn't be substantially more disk space. Would you provide stats? Proton makes a Windows environment for each game as it installs those 3rd party libraries in the environment and that is used for disk calculations, while on Windows those libraries may be installed directly to the OS. Each 3rd party library and the shader cache is stored separately. This is my guess-I do not work on Proton. > And even the games without any special hardware dongles don't work so well as you imply. Anticheat and a few obscure Windows libraries are an issue. River City Girls needs some media foundation library or it does not show cutscenes. Valve is working on them.
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    Anticheat is not some minor detail, lots of popular competitive games require it.
Jaepa 2y ago
I was going to say Fusion360 is my largest blocker, but it looks like it's now in the Silver category https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=36468 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI...
- rkagerer 2y ago
  Sadly, Solidworks is still in the "Garbage" category. Is there any effective way (aside from coding myself) to effect improvement there?
- abe_m 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure Fusion360 is built with QT tool kit for the GUI, and uses Python for the scripting engine. Of any of the modern professional paid 3D CAD programs, it seems to be the least tethered to Windows. It would be nice if they released a proper Linux version, like Autodesk does for some of their art industry programs. NX used to have a UNIX GUI recently, but it would take a pretty major company to move off Windows to bring that back. Solidworks made its name by being the first mainstream CAD built for Windows back when all the other 3D CAD was running UNIX workstations that cost more than a new pickup truck. Both Solidworks, and the Autodesk competitor to it, Inventor, are Windows API through and through. It is disappointing, but unsurprising that they don't do well in WINE. They went all in on Windows to their core from the very start.
SunlitCat 2y ago
Maybe anyone can chime in about VR support under Linux? That's a huge show stopper for me at the moment and holding me back from switching over to Linux.
- zamalek 2y ago
  Valve Index. I currently dual-boot Windows for VR. This is the rabbit hole I went down (to be clear: SteamVR, specifically the compositor, is completely broken). 1. Install Monado with libsurvive. 2. Discover that libsurvive doesn't have the "smarts" that SteamVR has, and that calibration can be wonky (and was wonky for me). 3. Learn that you can import SteamVR calibration data. I can't do this in Linux because, well, SteamVR doesn't work. 4. Dual boot Windows with the intention to copy over calibration data. 5. Windows is installed. Give up and dual boot. https://monado.freedesktop.org/libsurvive.html https://monado.freedesktop.org/libsurvive.html If anyone else has had success, I would love to hear about it.
  - rft 2y ago
    Well, I got Monado and libsurvive running some time ago (Valve Index, X11, Nvidia), even for Beat Saber. It sadly was unplayable, because reflections were wrong in VR apps, it felt like both eyes using the same reflection angle instead of adjusting it to each eye. For close objects this was bearable, anything further away would look "wrong" and cause VR sickness. Also the FoV was wrong, it felt like a vignette around the screen edges, a good bit narrower than in SteamVR. Oh yeah, and the latest version did not build for me, used a previous one. Performance, especially in Beat Saber, was great and better than SteamVR! I would expect SteamVR to at least work enough for calibration. You could try switching to beta or other versions.
    - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
      I don't understand why Valve of all companies isn't supporting Linux here.
      - rft 2y ago
DrillShopper 2y ago
I recently set up my gaming rig dual booting Win 10 and Linux. I've spent almost all of my time in the Linux side, and when Win 10 is EOL I am no longer dual booting - Windows can live in a GPU passthrough VM under Linux with only Steam and whatever Windows software won't run under Proton/Wine. Windows can see what I want it to see and not the whole machine. It has completely broken my trust.
t0bia_s 2y ago
It is not able to run Adobe. Only reason why I still cannot switch to linux unfortunately.
itsTyrion 2y ago
What about Software for hardware (Mouse, Keyboard, Audio Interface) and some productivity apps?

Proton is able to run just about anything now, not just games. Stop using Microsoft Operating Systems where you can and mark them as needing replacement with real software in all your reports.

lpapez 2y ago

The day when I can play Rocket League under Linux without anti-cheat kicking in is when I will stop using it completely. Until then, I am dual booting.

BadHumans 2y ago
The funny thing about this was that Rocket League was native on Linux and Psyonix removed Linux support.
- ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago
  Epic bought them, moved it to the Epic Store which has no Linux support. Makes sense to drop it.
  - ZunarJ5 2y ago
    Lutris solves most of that problem. I installed Unreal Engine through it.
  - mock-possum 2y ago
    supporting Epic is one of the most shooting-yourself-in-the-foot moves you can make as a gamer.
    - ranger_danger 2y ago
      you could say the same about any corporation
hcal 2y ago
I run it on Linux everyday with Steam on Proton. It is my go to game on steamdeck and my Fedora desktop. By default steam wants to download the old old old Linux version that doesn't allow online play, but if you enable proton it will download the Windows version and run fine. I am pretty sure it doesn't have a real anti-cheat included.
- twojacobtwo 2y ago
  Are you sure? Is this recent (last 6 months)? I enabled it and tested multiple versions of Proton with no success. Did you have to do anything else?
  - zamalek 2y ago
    In addition to making sure that the EAC runtime is installed, try setting the compatibility command to: SDL_VIDEODRIVER=windows,x11 %command% This is a typical problem with EAC.
    - hbn 2y ago
      Every thread that starts with "Linux gaming is basically 100% ready now" progresses into hacks like this :)
      - moffkalast 2y ago
        To be fair, every thread that starts with "Win 11 can still be debloated" progresses into registry hacks too :)
  - hcal 2y ago
    I don't have to do anything else. I just use the current proton. I just installed it on the flatpak version too. No trouble.
hypeatei 2y ago
What? Rocket League works fine on Proton with no weirdness. Played a bunch of competitive matches with no issues whatsoever.
thegeekpirate 2y ago
Better say your last goodbyes in that case, as it's always worked perfectly =b Riot's Vanguard on the other hand, has unfortunately made it impossible to play LoL =c

blastersyndrome 2y ago

Can it run the most recent version of SolidWorks? Can it run any version of SolidWorks? If it can, I am switching to Linux immediately.

robotnikman 2y ago

The day Proton or WINE can run the whole Adobe suite of products is the day I will probably switch to using Linux full time.

BadHumans 2y ago
Would you consider replacing the Adobe suite with other products?
- swatcoder 2y ago
  For many graphics professionals, that's like asking if you'd consider replacing C++ with Rust. There's one answer you might provide when you've the luxury to start things over and ramp up on all the differences, but practical reality is that you rarely have that luxury. Fluency and confidence in the tools you already use provides strong resistance to switching, even if alternatives promise they're ready to meet your needs.
  - Kenji 2y ago
    > For many graphics professionals, that's like asking if you'd consider replacing C++ with Rust. So, that's a yes?
    - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
      Imagine if no C++ compiler existed for your operating system. Even if most of the code you write is Rust, would you be able to use this operating system?
      - BadHumans 2y ago
        I don't understand this analogy because every tool touted as a photoshop replacement supports PSD.
        Wowfunhappy 2y ago

atemerev 2y ago

No, Revit and other CADs are still not working.

CoastalCoder 2y ago
Out of curiosity, what prevents that software from running on Proton? Is it something involving certified OpenGL drivers?
- abe_m 2y ago
  I don't know about Revit, but Inventor and Solidworks are WIN32 API right to their very core. Basically everything in them is available on the COM interface as objects, which is awesome for writing extensions to the programs on Windows. I suspect the trade off is that they are so all-in on WIN32, that they just touch way more of the API than games do, so they probably expose much more of missing API. They both rely on Microsoft Office for a variety of functionality, particularly Excel to manage tables of data. They rely on SQL server for the Vault and PDM products. They are Windows based through-and-through.

imbusy111 2y ago

From my experience, it's still not a 100% replacement. For example, there are no drivers for a pretty common steering wheel (Logitech G923). There is a driver for an older version of the wheel that kind of works, but no TRUEFORCE support. And even then, you have to mess with some low level details to make it work, send magic values to the hardware on plugging it in. I also noticed that games from Steam end up taking up substantially more disk space to the point where I can have only a few games installed on Linux. And even the games without any special hardware dongles don't work so well as you imply.

csdreamer7 2y ago
> For example, there are no drivers for a pretty common steering wheel (Logitech G923). This is a nice, specific detail. Most of these comments are very vague. > There is a driver for an older version of the wheel that kind of works Do you mean an out of tree driver? Would you test this and post back? The 6.3 kernel they mentioned 3 months ago is very old and likely a forked kernel. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/vb0b37/g29g923_users_correct_guide_to_install_logitech/l9dimye/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/vb0b37/g29g92... I am new to steering wheels-not sure if this is the exact version because they mention xbox)? Try a distro with a very recent kernel (6.11; like Nobara for a gaming focused distro). > I also noticed that games from Steam end up taking up substantially more disk space to the point where I can have only a few games installed on Linux. Shouldn't be substantially more disk space. Would you provide stats? Proton makes a Windows environment for each game as it installs those 3rd party libraries in the environment and that is used for disk calculations, while on Windows those libraries may be installed directly to the OS. Each 3rd party library and the shader cache is stored separately. This is my guess-I do not work on Proton. > And even the games without any special hardware dongles don't work so well as you imply. Anticheat and a few obscure Windows libraries are an issue. River City Girls needs some media foundation library or it does not show cutscenes. Valve is working on them.
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  Anticheat is not some minor detail, lots of popular competitive games require it.

Jaepa 2y ago

I was going to say Fusion360 is my largest blocker, but it looks like it's now in the Silver category https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=36468 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI...

rkagerer 2y ago
Sadly, Solidworks is still in the "Garbage" category. Is there any effective way (aside from coding myself) to effect improvement there?
abe_m 2y ago
I'm pretty sure Fusion360 is built with QT tool kit for the GUI, and uses Python for the scripting engine. Of any of the modern professional paid 3D CAD programs, it seems to be the least tethered to Windows. It would be nice if they released a proper Linux version, like Autodesk does for some of their art industry programs. NX used to have a UNIX GUI recently, but it would take a pretty major company to move off Windows to bring that back. Solidworks made its name by being the first mainstream CAD built for Windows back when all the other 3D CAD was running UNIX workstations that cost more than a new pickup truck. Both Solidworks, and the Autodesk competitor to it, Inventor, are Windows API through and through. It is disappointing, but unsurprising that they don't do well in WINE. They went all in on Windows to their core from the very start.

SunlitCat 2y ago

Maybe anyone can chime in about VR support under Linux? That's a huge show stopper for me at the moment and holding me back from switching over to Linux.

zamalek 2y ago
Valve Index. I currently dual-boot Windows for VR. This is the rabbit hole I went down (to be clear: SteamVR, specifically the compositor, is completely broken). 1. Install Monado with libsurvive. 2. Discover that libsurvive doesn't have the "smarts" that SteamVR has, and that calibration can be wonky (and was wonky for me). 3. Learn that you can import SteamVR calibration data. I can't do this in Linux because, well, SteamVR doesn't work. 4. Dual boot Windows with the intention to copy over calibration data. 5. Windows is installed. Give up and dual boot. https://monado.freedesktop.org/libsurvive.html https://monado.freedesktop.org/libsurvive.html If anyone else has had success, I would love to hear about it.
- rft 2y ago
  Well, I got Monado and libsurvive running some time ago (Valve Index, X11, Nvidia), even for Beat Saber. It sadly was unplayable, because reflections were wrong in VR apps, it felt like both eyes using the same reflection angle instead of adjusting it to each eye. For close objects this was bearable, anything further away would look "wrong" and cause VR sickness. Also the FoV was wrong, it felt like a vignette around the screen edges, a good bit narrower than in SteamVR. Oh yeah, and the latest version did not build for me, used a previous one. Performance, especially in Beat Saber, was great and better than SteamVR! I would expect SteamVR to at least work enough for calibration. You could try switching to beta or other versions.
  - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
    I don't understand why Valve of all companies isn't supporting Linux here.
    - rft 2y ago

DrillShopper 2y ago

I recently set up my gaming rig dual booting Win 10 and Linux. I've spent almost all of my time in the Linux side, and when Win 10 is EOL I am no longer dual booting - Windows can live in a GPU passthrough VM under Linux with only Steam and whatever Windows software won't run under Proton/Wine. Windows can see what I want it to see and not the whole machine. It has completely broken my trust.

t0bia_s 2y ago

It is not able to run Adobe. Only reason why I still cannot switch to linux unfortunately.

itsTyrion 2y ago

What about Software for hardware (Mouse, Keyboard, Audio Interface) and some productivity apps?