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To show that equality before the law doesn't exist in our country? Also, you're asking for evidence no one can produce. How convenient. I was being hyperbolic

To show that equality before the law doesn't exist in our country? Also, you're asking for evidence no one can produce. How convenient. I was being hyperbolic to point out that the "evidenced-based" culture has gone too far, to the point where you need obviously unobtainable evidence to prove something that is obviously true.

bluGill 2y ago
Yet this is something where it should be possible to produce evidence. Paperwork like is needed is generally available if you ask the right place. Any company trying that was rejected is has a bunch of people who did that paperwork and they could talk about it - indeed if the company was serious they have incentive to talk about it. Now it is possible that the paperwork required means hundreds of companies never even tried, and evidence of that chilling effect is hard to produce. However that is not the claim.
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  The claim is "equality before the law" doesn't exist in the USA (unfortunately)
  - bluGill 2y ago
    The request is evidence. So far all I get are claims. However I know from experience that many claims are false so I want to know if this one is real or just another one made for a point without any real trust behind it. I'm not claiming the US is perfect, but you are making a strong statement that is either completely false, or is true but only with pages of fine print (and it may turn out that if I read all those details I'd be fine with that as a place where we shouldn't allow equality in the first place)
    - cynicalpeace 2y ago
      The history of how and why they were granted this exemption is extensively chronicled by Ricardo Cortes. https://rmcortes.medium.com/the-cocainemaker-reefer-madness-and-the-vice-president-of-the-coca-cola-company-e1b39e65b63c https://rmcortes.medium.com/the-cocainemaker-reefer-madness-... You’re unsure our government and institutions are corrupt?
      - bluGill 2y ago
        There is always corruption. The question is what level. A blog on medium is not where I'm going to look for unbiased answers to that question.
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        He wrote a whole book, the "blog" articles are excerpts from his book
fluoridation 2y ago
I mean, why are you making claims that neither you nor anybody else can back up? You could have said anything in reply to my comment, or even nothing at all, but you chose to say something that you have no idea about. That's somehow my fault?
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  I can very easily back up the claim that the USA does not have equality under the law. Your claim that no one has ever wanted to import coca leaves requires a laughably impossible amount of evidence
  - fluoridation 2y ago
    >Your claim that no one has ever wanted to import coca No, no. I made no claim, I just asked a question. >Could a new business be started that had a legitimate use for coca and could get a similar exception extended to it? Instead of saying something you know for a fact, such as "I don't know", you made a specific claim: >there's been presumably hundreds of applicants (at least) who have tried the same and been rejected You've admitted you can't possibly know this. Don't try to shift the burden of proof onto me. I don't need to provide evidence for something I didn't claim. Maybe some businesses have tried to obtain that exception, maybe none has. I don't know, and you don't know either. Just admit you said something dumb and move on.
    - cynicalpeace 2y ago
      I said presumably for a reason. We can't presume anything? Your question didn't even make sense. The exception was applied back in the 20's. Your question of "gee has anyone wanted that same exception" is a dumb question and I was dumb to try to answer it, correct.

bluGill 2y ago

Yet this is something where it should be possible to produce evidence. Paperwork like is needed is generally available if you ask the right place. Any company trying that was rejected is has a bunch of people who did that paperwork and they could talk about it - indeed if the company was serious they have incentive to talk about it. Now it is possible that the paperwork required means hundreds of companies never even tried, and evidence of that chilling effect is hard to produce. However that is not the claim.

cynicalpeace 2y ago
The claim is "equality before the law" doesn't exist in the USA (unfortunately)
- bluGill 2y ago
  The request is evidence. So far all I get are claims. However I know from experience that many claims are false so I want to know if this one is real or just another one made for a point without any real trust behind it. I'm not claiming the US is perfect, but you are making a strong statement that is either completely false, or is true but only with pages of fine print (and it may turn out that if I read all those details I'd be fine with that as a place where we shouldn't allow equality in the first place)
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    The history of how and why they were granted this exemption is extensively chronicled by Ricardo Cortes. https://rmcortes.medium.com/the-cocainemaker-reefer-madness-and-the-vice-president-of-the-coca-cola-company-e1b39e65b63c https://rmcortes.medium.com/the-cocainemaker-reefer-madness-... You’re unsure our government and institutions are corrupt?
    - bluGill 2y ago
      There is always corruption. The question is what level. A blog on medium is not where I'm going to look for unbiased answers to that question.
      - cynicalpeace 2y ago
        He wrote a whole book, the "blog" articles are excerpts from his book

fluoridation 2y ago

I mean, why are you making claims that neither you nor anybody else can back up? You could have said anything in reply to my comment, or even nothing at all, but you chose to say something that you have no idea about. That's somehow my fault?

cynicalpeace 2y ago
I can very easily back up the claim that the USA does not have equality under the law. Your claim that no one has ever wanted to import coca leaves requires a laughably impossible amount of evidence
- fluoridation 2y ago
  >Your claim that no one has ever wanted to import coca No, no. I made no claim, I just asked a question. >Could a new business be started that had a legitimate use for coca and could get a similar exception extended to it? Instead of saying something you know for a fact, such as "I don't know", you made a specific claim: >there's been presumably hundreds of applicants (at least) who have tried the same and been rejected You've admitted you can't possibly know this. Don't try to shift the burden of proof onto me. I don't need to provide evidence for something I didn't claim. Maybe some businesses have tried to obtain that exception, maybe none has. I don't know, and you don't know either. Just admit you said something dumb and move on.
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    I said presumably for a reason. We can't presume anything? Your question didn't even make sense. The exception was applied back in the 20's. Your question of "gee has anyone wanted that same exception" is a dumb question and I was dumb to try to answer it, correct.