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Something I realized about AI is that an AI that generates "art" be it text, image, animation, video, photography, etc., is cool. The product it generates, howe

Something I realized about AI is that an AI that generates "art" be it text, image, animation, video, photography, etc., is cool. The product it generates, however, is not. It's very cool that we have a technology that can generate video, but what's cool is the tech, not the video. It doesn't matter if it's a man eating spaghetti or a woman walking in front of dozens of reflections. The tech is cool, the video is not. It could be ANY video and just the fact AI can generate is cool. But nobody likes a video that is generated by AI. A very cool technology to produce products that nobody wants.

postexitus 2y ago
While I am in the same camp as you, there is one exception: Music. Especially music with lyrics (like suno.com) - Although I know that it's not created by humans, the music created by Suno is still very listenable and it evokes feelings just like any other piece of music does. Especially if I am on a playlist and doing something else and the songs just progress into the unknown. Even when I am in a more conscious state - i.e. creating my own songs in Suno, the end result is so good that I can listen to it over and over again. Especially those ones that I create for special events (like mocking a friend's passing phase of communism and reverting back to capitalism).
- calflegal 2y ago
  appreciate your position but mine is that everything out of suno sounds like copycat dog water.
  - xerox13ster 2y ago
    Makes sense that GP appreciates the taste of dog water when they’re mocking their friends for having had values (friends whom likely gave up their values to stop being mocked)
    - postexitus 2y ago
      My generation do not give up on their values because they are being mocked - they mock back even harder until somebody ends up dying from laughter.
      - defrost 2y ago
        Reminds me of Cohen as covered by the Doug Anthony All Stars I got my shit together meeting Christ and reading Marx It failed my little fire but it spread a dying spark https://youtu.be/elr0JmB7Ac8?t=42 https://youtu.be/elr0JmB7Ac8?t=42
- Loughla 2y ago
  In my opinion, Suno is good for making really funny songs, but not for making really moving songs. Examples of songs that make me chuckle that I've had it do: A Bluegrass song about how much fun it is to punch holes in drywall like a karate master. A post-punk/hardcore song about the taste of the mud and rocks at the bottom of a mountain stream in the newly formed mountains of Oklahoma. A hair band power ballad about white dad sneakers. But for "serious" songs, the end result sounds like generic muzak you might hear in the background at Wal-Mart.
w0m 2y ago
That's an over simplification I think. If you're only generating a video because 'I can oooh AI' - then of course no one wants it. If you treat the tools as what they are, Tools - then people may want it. No one really cares about a tech demo, but if generative tools help you make a cool music video to an awesome song? People will want it. Well, as long as they aren't put off by a regressive stigma against new tool at least.
- AlienRobot 2y ago
  If you used AI to make something awesome, even if I liked it, I'd feel scammed if it wasn't clearly labelled as AI, and if it was clearly labelled as AI I wouldn't even look at it.
  - w0m 2y ago
    > I'd feel scammed if it wasn't clearly labelled as AI TBF - have you looked at a digital photo made in the last decade? Likely had significant 'AI' processing applied to it. That's why I call it a regressive pattern to dislike anything with a new label attached - it minimizes at best and often flat out ignores the very real work very real artists put in to leverage the new tools.
    - AlienRobot 2y ago
      You still have to take the photo. That's a billion times more effort than typing a prompt in ChatGPT.
      - w0m 2y ago
        honestly, that's the same argument people made against photographs when the technology became available. Same argument made against the printing press. New tools aren't inherently inferior, they open up new opportunities.
        AlienRobot 2y ago
noja 2y ago
> or a woman walking in front of dozens of reflections A lot of people will not notice the missing reflections and because of this our gatekeepers to quality will disappear.
namtab00 2y ago
> A very cool technology to produce products that nobody wants. creative power without control is like a rocket with no navigation—sure, you'll launch, but who knows where you'll crash!
krapp 2y ago
Yes, it turns out there's more to creating good art than simulating the mechanics and technique of good artists. The human factor actually matters, and that factor can't be extrapolated from the data in the model itself. In essence it's a lossy compression problem. It is technically interesting, and a lot of what it creates does have its own aesthetic appeal just because of how uncanny it can get, particularly in a photorealistic format. It's like looking at the product of an alien mind, or an alternate reality. But as an expression of actual human creative potential and directed intent I think it will always fall short of the tools we already have. They require skilled human beings who require paychecks and sustenance and sleep and toilets, and sometimes form unions, and unfortunately that's the problem AI is being deployed to solve in the hope that "extruded AI art product" is good enough to make a profit from.
jncfhnb 2y ago
The problem in your example is that you wouldn’t think a picture of a man eating spaghetti taken by a real person would be cool. You may feel different if it’s, say, art assets in your new favorite video game, frames of a show, or supplementary art assets in some sort of media.

postexitus 2y ago

While I am in the same camp as you, there is one exception: Music. Especially music with lyrics (like suno.com) - Although I know that it's not created by humans, the music created by Suno is still very listenable and it evokes feelings just like any other piece of music does. Especially if I am on a playlist and doing something else and the songs just progress into the unknown. Even when I am in a more conscious state - i.e. creating my own songs in Suno, the end result is so good that I can listen to it over and over again. Especially those ones that I create for special events (like mocking a friend's passing phase of communism and reverting back to capitalism).

calflegal 2y ago
appreciate your position but mine is that everything out of suno sounds like copycat dog water.
- xerox13ster 2y ago
  Makes sense that GP appreciates the taste of dog water when they’re mocking their friends for having had values (friends whom likely gave up their values to stop being mocked)
  - postexitus 2y ago
    My generation do not give up on their values because they are being mocked - they mock back even harder until somebody ends up dying from laughter.
    - defrost 2y ago
      Reminds me of Cohen as covered by the Doug Anthony All Stars I got my shit together meeting Christ and reading Marx It failed my little fire but it spread a dying spark https://youtu.be/elr0JmB7Ac8?t=42 https://youtu.be/elr0JmB7Ac8?t=42
Loughla 2y ago
In my opinion, Suno is good for making really funny songs, but not for making really moving songs. Examples of songs that make me chuckle that I've had it do: A Bluegrass song about how much fun it is to punch holes in drywall like a karate master. A post-punk/hardcore song about the taste of the mud and rocks at the bottom of a mountain stream in the newly formed mountains of Oklahoma. A hair band power ballad about white dad sneakers. But for "serious" songs, the end result sounds like generic muzak you might hear in the background at Wal-Mart.

w0m 2y ago

That's an over simplification I think. If you're only generating a video because 'I can oooh AI' - then of course no one wants it. If you treat the tools as what they are, Tools - then people may want it. No one really cares about a tech demo, but if generative tools help you make a cool music video to an awesome song? People will want it. Well, as long as they aren't put off by a regressive stigma against new tool at least.

AlienRobot 2y ago
If you used AI to make something awesome, even if I liked it, I'd feel scammed if it wasn't clearly labelled as AI, and if it was clearly labelled as AI I wouldn't even look at it.
- w0m 2y ago
  > I'd feel scammed if it wasn't clearly labelled as AI TBF - have you looked at a digital photo made in the last decade? Likely had significant 'AI' processing applied to it. That's why I call it a regressive pattern to dislike anything with a new label attached - it minimizes at best and often flat out ignores the very real work very real artists put in to leverage the new tools.
  - AlienRobot 2y ago
    You still have to take the photo. That's a billion times more effort than typing a prompt in ChatGPT.
    - w0m 2y ago
      honestly, that's the same argument people made against photographs when the technology became available. Same argument made against the printing press. New tools aren't inherently inferior, they open up new opportunities.
      - AlienRobot 2y ago

noja 2y ago

> or a woman walking in front of dozens of reflections A lot of people will not notice the missing reflections and because of this our gatekeepers to quality will disappear.

namtab00 2y ago

> A very cool technology to produce products that nobody wants. creative power without control is like a rocket with no navigation—sure, you'll launch, but who knows where you'll crash!

krapp 2y ago

Yes, it turns out there's more to creating good art than simulating the mechanics and technique of good artists. The human factor actually matters, and that factor can't be extrapolated from the data in the model itself. In essence it's a lossy compression problem. It is technically interesting, and a lot of what it creates does have its own aesthetic appeal just because of how uncanny it can get, particularly in a photorealistic format. It's like looking at the product of an alien mind, or an alternate reality. But as an expression of actual human creative potential and directed intent I think it will always fall short of the tools we already have. They require skilled human beings who require paychecks and sustenance and sleep and toilets, and sometimes form unions, and unfortunately that's the problem AI is being deployed to solve in the hope that "extruded AI art product" is good enough to make a profit from.

jncfhnb 2y ago

The problem in your example is that you wouldn’t think a picture of a man eating spaghetti taken by a real person would be cool. You may feel different if it’s, say, art assets in your new favorite video game, frames of a show, or supplementary art assets in some sort of media.