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We have top-notch programmers which have never heard of configure, and to them anything opensource that does not compile straight in Visual Studio is not worth

by malkia 14y ago

We have top-notch programmers which have never heard of configure, and to them anything opensource that does not compile straight in Visual Studio is not worth it. You can't even get them to learn a little bit about make, but then again some of them glamorize XML as the best thing ever.

mixmastamyk 14y ago
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." —Inigo Montoya
kintamanimatt 14y ago
I'm genuinely curious and I'm not being antagonistic, but why do you call them top-notch if they refuse to learn and shy away from a problem that should be (to them) relatively easy?
- splicer 14y ago
  Maybe he's talking about notches on the pay scale ;)
- joesb 14y ago
  Because they are the best at what they do? Someone are just the best programmer in Windows/Visual Studio environment. And being "top-notch" should not be reserved to only those who use command line.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    I have an immensely hard time believing someone is the "best programmer in VS" without knowing how to use more advanced tools.
  - npsimons 14y ago
    I think he was referring to the "top notch" developers being unwilling to learn, which to me would disqualify them from the category of "top notch", no matter what how good they are at using their preferred toolset. I'm curious, if they are so resistant to learning new things, how well do they deal with changes in MSVS? Like for instance going from 2008 to 2010, the solution file format changed (and the importer is far from perfect), and things were moved around in the GUI.
- malkia 14y ago
  Because you can't learn everything under the sky. Most of them are strictly Windows programmers, with lots of console (video game) experience. They are just not interrested in Linux, OSX, etc the way other people are (me for example). What's the point for them to learn something like this, if they don't see how this is going to help them in what they do?
DeepDuh 14y ago
Slightly off topic: May I ask you what's wrong with XML (as long as it is used for what it's meant?).
- malkia 14y ago
  The syntax. I can't stand the fact that I have to close a tag with the same name. S-expr (lisp), Lua, Json are much visually better (IMHO) way to express that. And readable (again IMHO).

by malkia 14y ago

mixmastamyk 14y ago

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." —Inigo Montoya

kintamanimatt 14y ago

I'm genuinely curious and I'm not being antagonistic, but why do you call them top-notch if they refuse to learn and shy away from a problem that should be (to them) relatively easy?

splicer 14y ago
Maybe he's talking about notches on the pay scale ;)
joesb 14y ago
Because they are the best at what they do? Someone are just the best programmer in Windows/Visual Studio environment. And being "top-notch" should not be reserved to only those who use command line.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  I have an immensely hard time believing someone is the "best programmer in VS" without knowing how to use more advanced tools.
- npsimons 14y ago
  I think he was referring to the "top notch" developers being unwilling to learn, which to me would disqualify them from the category of "top notch", no matter what how good they are at using their preferred toolset. I'm curious, if they are so resistant to learning new things, how well do they deal with changes in MSVS? Like for instance going from 2008 to 2010, the solution file format changed (and the importer is far from perfect), and things were moved around in the GUI.
malkia 14y ago
Because you can't learn everything under the sky. Most of them are strictly Windows programmers, with lots of console (video game) experience. They are just not interrested in Linux, OSX, etc the way other people are (me for example). What's the point for them to learn something like this, if they don't see how this is going to help them in what they do?

DeepDuh 14y ago

Slightly off topic: May I ask you what's wrong with XML (as long as it is used for what it's meant?).

malkia 14y ago
The syntax. I can't stand the fact that I have to close a tag with the same name. S-expr (lisp), Lua, Json are much visually better (IMHO) way to express that. And readable (again IMHO).