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Normally when I see accusations of entitlement, it's quickly answered by people who deny it or otherwise reveal their entitlement via their ignorance of the pro
by drivebyacct2 14y ago
Normally when I see accusations of entitlement, it's quickly answered by people who deny it or otherwise reveal their entitlement via their ignorance of the problem. I truly hope that I'm not engaging in that, but I don't understand the "entitlement" aspect.
I guess I'm confused as to what technical entitlement is? At some points in the article it seems to simply be technical ability? Or is it technical ability that's used (purposefully?) to put down others? The article seems to place a girl soldering at a young age in with people who demean those who score low on a test all under an umbrella of "entitled". But I'm not sure this is intentional.
>I know logically that I’m pretty good. But I never feel like I’m as good, or as experienced, as everyone else. I always feel like I’m behind, trying to catch up to a group of super-elites who’ve been programming since they could walk.
This is how I feel all day, every day and yet because I started before my peers and was a helpful resource when we were in our first CS classes they regard me in this manner. Most of the time I have to shrug and say "I don't know" which they find surprising. Which leads back to me feeling like I'm trying to catch up with those people that do know it all. (Then again, I also acknowledge that some people know more about somethings [surely many things] than I do, but there are probably some things that I know more about. We are the sum of our experiences after all). I think there is always someone who knows more, and someone who knows less. I try to use that as motivation to learn more and get better.
I think maybe I just take issue with the word "entitlement". It has a different connotation to me.
I think I agree with the conclusion of the post. There's almost two issues at the heart of this. On one hand, it's hard to enter any field when your peers have an upper-hand of any kind. On the other, your peers can do things to make the field more approachable - like not be jerks, be helpful, etc.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure how one solves this problem. Some people are destined to be jerks, and when they see a strength over someone else, they will use it to make themselves feel better. :(
((Just read the bio, I'm also an SDE Intern at MS. Small, small world.))
- Xcelerate 14y agoI'm in the same boat as you. I don't really know what she's talking about. Is this like the kid that started playing baseball when he was 4 and ends up better than everyone else in middle school? Or am I missing it completely...
- nja 14y agoIf I understood correctly, it's the attitude that one's technical accomplishments (especially at a young age) serve as proof of superiority over others. I agree that it's a problem, and I look forward to the discussion on HN about how to not only avoid it ourselves but how to encourage others to do so as well.
- cluda01 14y agoMy understanding of it is that technical entitlement is a characteristic of someone who uses their early and rapid advancements with electronics or computers to be a know it all jerk. The main problem stated here is that they drive people away from the field before they get to honestly evaluate whether or not computer science is a viable career choice for them. Frankly this isn't new or unique to technology, these people crop up everywhere humans do. Think unapproachable meat head at the gym. What's unique to technology is that it's "ok" or perceived as socially acceptable for technologists to behave this way. It's not. She closes with (paraphrasing and generalizing) since mainstream society at large thinks its acceptable (if only to be avoided by non-technically inclined people) we need to change the attitude ourselves. From this the technology field will advance with the huge increase in potential talent pool.
- tessr 14y agoThis sums my points up really, really nicely. Thanks!
- greggman 14y agoWhat does this have to do with entitlement though? en·ti·tle·ment/enˈtītlmənt/ Noun: The fact of having a right to something. The amount to which a person has a right. Usually this is applied to someone that believes they are entitled to something. Food, housing.., I don't see anything these jerk programmers are thinking they are entitled too.