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Sure, but are they going to spend a bunch of time to learn how to use the magic exit button or just press ctrl-w to close the tab?

scott_w 2y ago
If it’s the only tab you have open, it’ll look very suspicious that you’re just staring at the desktop…
youainti 2y ago
I am highly technical (multiple linux machines at home) and I don't use ctrl-w. I didn't know it was a thing.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  I do, but only because it's a stupid-ass shortcut I keep triggering on accident.
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    I don't really mind triggering ctrl-W by accident because ctrl-shift-T will undo the mistake. An accidental ctrl-Q is much worse, because closed incognito windows can't be recovered.
    - School-Cotton 2y ago
      I think all the major browsers can be configured to prompt before quitting.
      - derkades 2y ago
        Firefox prompts by default
        thaumasiotes 2y ago
        While true, that's a very recent change.
        TeMPOraL 2y ago
        Sorta, kinda, maybe? Even the one shipped with Debian/Ubuntu? Firefox gave me plenty of scars over the years. CTRL-Q and CTRL-W are just two; another's the fear of the browser randomly going "updates have been installed, you're not allowed to do anything until you restart; shame about that unsaved work you had on the page we just blanked" shit that used to fly on Ubuntu. (Maybe still does? I browse from Windows nowadays.)
- int_19h 2y ago
  I'm mildly surprised because it's been adopted fairly universally for multi-document / multi-tab apps. E.g. most editors with tabs will also use it to close the current document.
PaulRobinson 2y ago
Imagine your abuser “lets you” use the computer for one hour a day. They monitor your browser history. They read your texts, your social media DMs, and browse your search history. They often watch you browsing, save going to the fridge to get a beer or to go to the bathroom. These are the moment where you think about trying to find help. It’s all you think about really: how to get out. How likely are you to know keyboard shortcuts? As a UX designer, would you not want to make a big safe UX button that you need no prior training or experience of, that you can trust to help you get out of a difficult situation. Footsteps. Oh shit. They’re coming back. Is it Ctrl-W? Or Ctrl-V? Oh fuck, he’s nearly in the room. Quick, where’s the tiny little cross to close the window… oh, wait, click that exit page button, or just quickly hit shift a bunch of times. “Oh yes, I was just looking at the weather for tomorrow. I was thinking about whether to put some washing out on the line…”
- eviks 2y ago
  This scenario is contrived > just quickly hit shift a bunch of times How would you even know about this shortcut you never use anywhere, let alone remember it in a time of stress?
  - closewith 2y ago
    > This scenario is contrived This is a much more realistic user story than 99% you will ever read.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    See things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_for_Angela https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_for_Angela In principle, information about this could be propagated, if it's reliably available on UK govt sites at this point (I'm not sure if it is).
    - eviks 2y ago
      This discussion is about the current practice where a more widely used Ctrl+W is hard to remember, but somehow a niche 3xShift isn't, not a potential future info campaign

scott_w 2y ago

If it’s the only tab you have open, it’ll look very suspicious that you’re just staring at the desktop…

youainti 2y ago

I am highly technical (multiple linux machines at home) and I don't use ctrl-w. I didn't know it was a thing.

TeMPOraL 2y ago
I do, but only because it's a stupid-ass shortcut I keep triggering on accident.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  I don't really mind triggering ctrl-W by accident because ctrl-shift-T will undo the mistake. An accidental ctrl-Q is much worse, because closed incognito windows can't be recovered.
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    I think all the major browsers can be configured to prompt before quitting.
    - derkades 2y ago
      Firefox prompts by default
      - thaumasiotes 2y ago
        While true, that's a very recent change.
      - TeMPOraL 2y ago
        Sorta, kinda, maybe? Even the one shipped with Debian/Ubuntu? Firefox gave me plenty of scars over the years. CTRL-Q and CTRL-W are just two; another's the fear of the browser randomly going "updates have been installed, you're not allowed to do anything until you restart; shame about that unsaved work you had on the page we just blanked" shit that used to fly on Ubuntu. (Maybe still does? I browse from Windows nowadays.)
int_19h 2y ago
I'm mildly surprised because it's been adopted fairly universally for multi-document / multi-tab apps. E.g. most editors with tabs will also use it to close the current document.

PaulRobinson 2y ago

Imagine your abuser “lets you” use the computer for one hour a day. They monitor your browser history. They read your texts, your social media DMs, and browse your search history. They often watch you browsing, save going to the fridge to get a beer or to go to the bathroom. These are the moment where you think about trying to find help. It’s all you think about really: how to get out. How likely are you to know keyboard shortcuts? As a UX designer, would you not want to make a big safe UX button that you need no prior training or experience of, that you can trust to help you get out of a difficult situation. Footsteps. Oh shit. They’re coming back. Is it Ctrl-W? Or Ctrl-V? Oh fuck, he’s nearly in the room. Quick, where’s the tiny little cross to close the window… oh, wait, click that exit page button, or just quickly hit shift a bunch of times. “Oh yes, I was just looking at the weather for tomorrow. I was thinking about whether to put some washing out on the line…”

eviks 2y ago
This scenario is contrived > just quickly hit shift a bunch of times How would you even know about this shortcut you never use anywhere, let alone remember it in a time of stress?
- closewith 2y ago
  > This scenario is contrived This is a much more realistic user story than 99% you will ever read.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  See things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_for_Angela https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_for_Angela In principle, information about this could be propagated, if it's reliably available on UK govt sites at this point (I'm not sure if it is).
  - eviks 2y ago
    This discussion is about the current practice where a more widely used Ctrl+W is hard to remember, but somehow a niche 3xShift isn't, not a potential future info campaign