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Are there hundreds of applications for every engineering role? Yes. But most of those applications don’t meet the minimum requirements. A senior position requir

Are there hundreds of applications for every engineering role? Yes. But most of those applications don’t meet the minimum requirements. A senior position requiring 4yrs experience will see > 90% of its applications coming from new grads with zero experience. It’s mostly noise. It should be noted that many companies don’t have any entry-level roles open. That’s not ideal, but new grads are arriving with minimal practical skills while the landscape of complexity continues to increase. Sure the top tier are amazing but they go to FANG to get rich on RSUs, or become a founder themselves.

FranzFerdiNaN 2y ago
> That’s not ideal, but new grads are arriving with minimal practical skills Yeah and how are you supposed to get those skills if no one is hiring you?
- benoau 2y ago
  If you graduated this decade you should be applying for junior-to-mid-level positions to get that experience. It's not just alignment with the stack, it's the full spectrum of working on a team and software with lots of moving parts and team mates who rely on senior developers to provide the right leadership and informed mentorship and decision making.
- nitwit005 2y ago
  You get lucky, or you just don't. Unfortunately, this complaint is echoed across many industries.
- anonify8 2y ago
  Internships while you study. Freelancing. I think the grads cant get hired is overstated. Beancounters can't resist a the lower $ per neuron of hiring grads.
  - user_7832 2y ago
    If you intern, do you consider that “work experience”? What I’ve heard says no (and my internship work has often been very “basic”).
    - anonify8 2y ago
      It depends. Where I have worked interns have done real work like a grad. I also interned. I didnt even know the word intern! To me it was a summer job where I wrote code. The main difference intern vs grad is tbey know you'll leave soon for uni so it tends to be not too deep. The project will be something quick go get started on and probably not the main gnarly monorepo. But yeah internship can also mean making tea... metaphorically.

FranzFerdiNaN 2y ago

> That’s not ideal, but new grads are arriving with minimal practical skills Yeah and how are you supposed to get those skills if no one is hiring you?

benoau 2y ago
If you graduated this decade you should be applying for junior-to-mid-level positions to get that experience. It's not just alignment with the stack, it's the full spectrum of working on a team and software with lots of moving parts and team mates who rely on senior developers to provide the right leadership and informed mentorship and decision making.
nitwit005 2y ago
You get lucky, or you just don't. Unfortunately, this complaint is echoed across many industries.
anonify8 2y ago
Internships while you study. Freelancing. I think the grads cant get hired is overstated. Beancounters can't resist a the lower $ per neuron of hiring grads.
- user_7832 2y ago
  If you intern, do you consider that “work experience”? What I’ve heard says no (and my internship work has often been very “basic”).
  - anonify8 2y ago
    It depends. Where I have worked interns have done real work like a grad. I also interned. I didnt even know the word intern! To me it was a summer job where I wrote code. The main difference intern vs grad is tbey know you'll leave soon for uni so it tends to be not too deep. The project will be something quick go get started on and probably not the main gnarly monorepo. But yeah internship can also mean making tea... metaphorically.