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Many job postings are far too open versus the reality of who they’d accept. If you’re expecting a deluge, then make sure you are highly transparent on how you’d

Many job postings are far too open versus the reality of who they’d accept. If you’re expecting a deluge, then make sure you are highly transparent on how you’d vet or sift the initial applications. That doesn’t mean to introduce new “high bars” just to reduce the number, it means to be clear about the checklist you’d use to classify those who get to the next round.

arp242 2y ago
That works for people like you or me who are good faith applicants and wouldn't want to waste anyone's time. But people like you or me aren't really the problem. The real problem is spam. Of those 2,000 I bet at least 75% are just useless time wasters (no work authorisation, wrong TZ, complete mismatch in what was asked for, outright fraud, etc.) They're just shot-gunning everything. Much of this is probably bot'd. Like most spam, you can't really lose by sending it: it's free to send and there is no global "time wasting shitdicks" blacklist to put these people on (many companies don't even keep internal list for this). So you can endlessly vomit in everyone's face and never suffer any consequences.
- nextn 2y ago
  I want to see a site that makes it non-free to send an application and non-free to ghost an applicant.
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    A site where employers can find the worse candidates?
  - anonify8 2y ago
    Non-free to send an application signals scam. I would never use this.
    - user_7832 2y ago
      It could be a platform that organizes the payment like an escrow. The fee could be refunded on application acceptance/rejection, as long as you applied matching the criteria.
  - codingdave 2y ago
    That would build incentives for dark patterns to encourage people to pay to submit themselves to jobs they'd never get, and then force the company to pay to ignore them. It probably would fail fast, but if it did work, it would be truly an evil concept.
    - user_7832 2y ago
      There could be a term/agreement, that you only get money back if your resume actually met the minimum requirements. If you have a completely irrelevant profile you lose your application fee.
slyall 2y ago
The problem is that so many job advertisements have typically listed the nice-to-haves as requirements. So people have been trained over the years to apply if they have most of the requirements. Not saying it is impossible but you need to be very explicit and realistic in the language of the advertisement.
atrettel 2y ago
Various people have told me over the years that you have to write the job ad broader or else you will get nothing but applicants that satisfy all requirements. By making it more vague about precisely what you want, you can then narrow it yourself afterwards based on the real job requirements. I don't think this is a good strategy personally, but I have been told this repeatedly.

arp242 2y ago

That works for people like you or me who are good faith applicants and wouldn't want to waste anyone's time. But people like you or me aren't really the problem. The real problem is spam. Of those 2,000 I bet at least 75% are just useless time wasters (no work authorisation, wrong TZ, complete mismatch in what was asked for, outright fraud, etc.) They're just shot-gunning everything. Much of this is probably bot'd. Like most spam, you can't really lose by sending it: it's free to send and there is no global "time wasting shitdicks" blacklist to put these people on (many companies don't even keep internal list for this). So you can endlessly vomit in everyone's face and never suffer any consequences.

nextn 2y ago
I want to see a site that makes it non-free to send an application and non-free to ghost an applicant.
- ipaddr 2y ago
  A site where employers can find the worse candidates?
- anonify8 2y ago
  Non-free to send an application signals scam. I would never use this.
  - user_7832 2y ago
    It could be a platform that organizes the payment like an escrow. The fee could be refunded on application acceptance/rejection, as long as you applied matching the criteria.
- codingdave 2y ago
  That would build incentives for dark patterns to encourage people to pay to submit themselves to jobs they'd never get, and then force the company to pay to ignore them. It probably would fail fast, but if it did work, it would be truly an evil concept.
  - user_7832 2y ago
    There could be a term/agreement, that you only get money back if your resume actually met the minimum requirements. If you have a completely irrelevant profile you lose your application fee.

slyall 2y ago

The problem is that so many job advertisements have typically listed the nice-to-haves as requirements. So people have been trained over the years to apply if they have most of the requirements. Not saying it is impossible but you need to be very explicit and realistic in the language of the advertisement.

atrettel 2y ago

Various people have told me over the years that you have to write the job ad broader or else you will get nothing but applicants that satisfy all requirements. By making it more vague about precisely what you want, you can then narrow it yourself afterwards based on the real job requirements. I don't think this is a good strategy personally, but I have been told this repeatedly.