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A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge, which seems really unfair. It should be more about DIY and freedom outside what was (in the 90's) a very rest

A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge, which seems really unfair. It should be more about DIY and freedom outside what was (in the 90's) a very restrictive, fixed business model. NOFX are the best of example of the punk aesthetic, but Green Day (the pop-punk band, not the Celtic folk band^) didn't sell out while achieving stratospheric success. ^Community reference

rootusrootus 2y ago
> A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge I think you hit it on the nail. What makes some people uptight about Green Day being punk is not the music -- because objectively, punk's pretty much on point. It's the fact that they were wildly successful. Can't be punk any more when that happens.
- jghn 2y ago
  Sort of. Even before their commercial success this issue was coming up. Granted the commercial success turned the knob to 11. There were already debates about their sound, that it was too poppy and mainstream sounding. Whether or not an ethos espousing rejecting authority should be applying authority on what other people sound like is another matter altogether :)
petesergeant 2y ago
> A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge Alternative take: punk, as enjoyed by the connoisseur, sounds terrible to people who don't like punk, which limits its success
joekrill 2y ago
> didn't sell out while achieving stratospheric success. Their Keurig "partnership" might suggest otherwise. And it's not just because they've partnered with a huge corporation. But mainly because their coffee company - "Punk Bunny Coffee" - puts a huge emphasis on "sustainability". And while Keurig says sustainability is important, their actions suggest the exact opposite.
- hunter2_ 2y ago
  > while Keurig says sustainability is important, their actions suggest the exact opposite The term is loose enough to possibly refer to making the business (not human life generally) be sustainable, though the green[day]washing angle is more likely.

rootusrootus 2y ago

> A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge I think you hit it on the nail. What makes some people uptight about Green Day being punk is not the music -- because objectively, punk's pretty much on point. It's the fact that they were wildly successful. Can't be punk any more when that happens.

jghn 2y ago
Sort of. Even before their commercial success this issue was coming up. Granted the commercial success turned the knob to 11. There were already debates about their sound, that it was too poppy and mainstream sounding. Whether or not an ethos espousing rejecting authority should be applying authority on what other people sound like is another matter altogether :)

petesergeant 2y ago

> A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge Alternative take: punk, as enjoyed by the connoisseur, sounds terrible to people who don't like punk, which limits its success

joekrill 2y ago

> didn't sell out while achieving stratospheric success. Their Keurig "partnership" might suggest otherwise. And it's not just because they've partnered with a huge corporation. But mainly because their coffee company - "Punk Bunny Coffee" - puts a huge emphasis on "sustainability". And while Keurig says sustainability is important, their actions suggest the exact opposite.

hunter2_ 2y ago
> while Keurig says sustainability is important, their actions suggest the exact opposite The term is loose enough to possibly refer to making the business (not human life generally) be sustainable, though the green[day]washing angle is more likely.