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Don't take it personally, but I've seen a lot of confirmation bias from ex-PHP developers. Often from developers who may, thanks to language Y, write more eleg

by rickmb 14y ago

Don't take it personally, but I've seen a lot of confirmation bias from ex-PHP developers. Often from developers who may, thanks to language Y, write more elegant code on the line / function level, but still create the same architectural mess as they did before in PHP. (Rails doesn't save you from creating a mess, neither does the broad separation of concerns of any MVC framework.). There are thousands of ex-PHP developers out there that think they are now better programmers because they now use Ruby or Python, building thousands projects that proof otherwise. Five to ten years from now, people will be bitching on HN about legacy RoR software like there's no tomorrow. And they'll probably be blaming the language and/or the framework.

aggronn 14y ago
If whats around 5-10 years from now represents the same improvement RoR has made over PHP in the last 5 years, we better be mad when developers working on team projects try to perpetuate RoR's use.
Legion 14y ago
> Don't take it personally, but I've seen a lot of confirmation bias from ex-PHP developers. > Often from developers who may, thanks to language Y, write more elegant code on the line / function level, but still create the same architectural mess as they did before in PHP. That's a longer-winded version of "You Can Write FORTRAN in Any Language". Certainly nothing exclusive or even particularly unique to PHP or PHP programmers.
SomeCallMeTim 14y ago
There is no shortage of people complaining about RoR today. [1][2] Also, does the word "ghetto" ring any bells? Not that I think Python solves all the problems well either. I'm a fan of Lua, personally, but only because it's a much cleaner language design, and it's faster, and it's easier to set up, and it's easier to write Node.js-style code that's easier to read, and... well, I guess there are a few reasons. [1] http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.309321.4 http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.309321.... [2] http://techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/twitter-said-to-be-abandoning-ruby-on-rails/ http://techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/twitter-said-to-be-abandoni...

by rickmb 14y ago

aggronn 14y ago

If whats around 5-10 years from now represents the same improvement RoR has made over PHP in the last 5 years, we better be mad when developers working on team projects try to perpetuate RoR's use.

Legion 14y ago

> Don't take it personally, but I've seen a lot of confirmation bias from ex-PHP developers. > Often from developers who may, thanks to language Y, write more elegant code on the line / function level, but still create the same architectural mess as they did before in PHP. That's a longer-winded version of "You Can Write FORTRAN in Any Language". Certainly nothing exclusive or even particularly unique to PHP or PHP programmers.

SomeCallMeTim 14y ago

There is no shortage of people complaining about RoR today. [1][2] Also, does the word "ghetto" ring any bells? Not that I think Python solves all the problems well either. I'm a fan of Lua, personally, but only because it's a much cleaner language design, and it's faster, and it's easier to set up, and it's easier to write Node.js-style code that's easier to read, and... well, I guess there are a few reasons. [1] http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.309321.4 http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.309321.... [2] http://techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/twitter-said-to-be-abandoning-ruby-on-rails/ http://techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/twitter-said-to-be-abandoni...