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Before you make too many assumptions: > The block comes after public outrage in Turkey caused by the murder of two women by a 19-year-old man in Istanbul this

by demarq 2y ago

Before you make too many assumptions: > The block comes after public outrage in Turkey caused by the murder of two women by a 19-year-old man in Istanbul this month. Content on social media showed Discord users subsequently praising the killing. This is what would happen anywhere else in the world, see the last incident between France and telegram

lm28469 2y ago
This is ridiculous, if any platform on which "users praised _illegal things_" were banned every single website in the world would be banned. > This is what would happen anywhere else in the world, see the last incident between France and telegram Telegram wasn't banned in France There is a (very wide) spectrum between full censorship due to a few "users" and complete freedom to the point of being the backbone of illegal cartels
- demarq 2y ago
  That’s because they had access to the founder and threatened him imprisonment. And why does everyone who replies to me leave behind the main point on the article? It’s not “just” people said something’s here. It’s that in response to a very real crime , the authorities were denied assistance by the platform. It’s like saying that telegram was in trouble because people said some stuff. Nope, telegram in trouble for not cooperating with the government.
  - andriesm 2y ago
    'a very real crime". Is celebrating a murder, a real crime? I know INCITING is in most places. How about laughing about it? Minimizing it? Making. jokes about? Having a conspiracy theory about it? I don't know Turkey' s laws, but I suspect almost all of these are legal in free speech oriented places.
- justinclift 2y ago
  > ... every single website in the world would be banned. Doesn't seem to be even slightly true, as not every website in the world has that crap.
squigz 2y ago
> This is what would happen anywhere else in the world On every single large social media platform, people praise and applaud the death of individuals and entire races of people, all the time. Yet Facebook, Twitter and related sites aren't blocked in most of the world. What's up with that?
- demarq 2y ago
  Nope. If murder or terrorism happened in France or UK and a social media platform refused to assist the authorities, There. Would. Be. Consequences.
  - beart 2y ago
    Your first post did not indicate discord refused to assist authorities, but that users praised a violent act.
    - squigz 2y ago
      Indeed. GP's original post - ironically prefaced with "Before you make too many assumptions" - implied the reasoning was something entirely unrelated to what it actually was about.
    - demarq 2y ago
      HN rules are that I should assume you read the article.
      - squigz 2y ago
        Technically there's nothing saying that in the guidelines.
        andriesm 2y ago
        I suspect it was meant tongue in cheek, I had a good chuckle with it when I read it.
      - 2y ago
DrillShopper 2y ago
> This is what would happen anywhere else in the world lmao wtf no it wouldn't. Truth Social is used literally every day (by some) to call for the assassination of politicians belonging to the Democractic party, the party currently in power, and it has not been banned. Maybe Erdogan and the rest of Turkey should grow a slightly thicker skin.
- 8note 2y ago
  However, you still see the US banning non-US controlled social media, eg. TikTok. Silly dances and cat videos are are too much for the American government 's skin, when they can say no to the NSA and FBI
nitwit005 2y ago
I would not take their stated reasons seriously. They seem not to be a fan of social media in general, and have blocked a long list of social media sites. They even blocked Wikipedia until their constitutional court overturned the ban.
- demarq 2y ago
  That’s absolutely true. It’s also true that they do have a point in this unfortunate event. Both can be true.

by demarq 2y ago

lm28469 2y ago

This is ridiculous, if any platform on which "users praised _illegal things_" were banned every single website in the world would be banned. > This is what would happen anywhere else in the world, see the last incident between France and telegram Telegram wasn't banned in France There is a (very wide) spectrum between full censorship due to a few "users" and complete freedom to the point of being the backbone of illegal cartels

demarq 2y ago
That’s because they had access to the founder and threatened him imprisonment. And why does everyone who replies to me leave behind the main point on the article? It’s not “just” people said something’s here. It’s that in response to a very real crime , the authorities were denied assistance by the platform. It’s like saying that telegram was in trouble because people said some stuff. Nope, telegram in trouble for not cooperating with the government.
- andriesm 2y ago
  'a very real crime". Is celebrating a murder, a real crime? I know INCITING is in most places. How about laughing about it? Minimizing it? Making. jokes about? Having a conspiracy theory about it? I don't know Turkey' s laws, but I suspect almost all of these are legal in free speech oriented places.
justinclift 2y ago
> ... every single website in the world would be banned. Doesn't seem to be even slightly true, as not every website in the world has that crap.

squigz 2y ago

> This is what would happen anywhere else in the world On every single large social media platform, people praise and applaud the death of individuals and entire races of people, all the time. Yet Facebook, Twitter and related sites aren't blocked in most of the world. What's up with that?

demarq 2y ago
Nope. If murder or terrorism happened in France or UK and a social media platform refused to assist the authorities, There. Would. Be. Consequences.
- beart 2y ago
  Your first post did not indicate discord refused to assist authorities, but that users praised a violent act.
  - squigz 2y ago
    Indeed. GP's original post - ironically prefaced with "Before you make too many assumptions" - implied the reasoning was something entirely unrelated to what it actually was about.
  - demarq 2y ago
    HN rules are that I should assume you read the article.
    - squigz 2y ago
      Technically there's nothing saying that in the guidelines.
      - andriesm 2y ago
        I suspect it was meant tongue in cheek, I had a good chuckle with it when I read it.
    - 2y ago

DrillShopper 2y ago

> This is what would happen anywhere else in the world lmao wtf no it wouldn't. Truth Social is used literally every day (by some) to call for the assassination of politicians belonging to the Democractic party, the party currently in power, and it has not been banned. Maybe Erdogan and the rest of Turkey should grow a slightly thicker skin.

8note 2y ago
However, you still see the US banning non-US controlled social media, eg. TikTok. Silly dances and cat videos are are too much for the American government 's skin, when they can say no to the NSA and FBI

nitwit005 2y ago

I would not take their stated reasons seriously. They seem not to be a fan of social media in general, and have blocked a long list of social media sites. They even blocked Wikipedia until their constitutional court overturned the ban.

demarq 2y ago
That’s absolutely true. It’s also true that they do have a point in this unfortunate event. Both can be true.