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> Most would not move to India or any other place and impose their culture and exclude locals in a fair and just world. I'm trying to say that going to restaur

> Most would not move to India or any other place and impose their culture and exclude locals in a fair and just world. I'm trying to say that going to restaurants as a group of people and having in-jokes does not qualify as "imposing your culture" in any way. These things routinely happen at companies that have few to no Indians, they just take a different form. Also, are you really claiming that if you moved to Bangalore, and had 2-3 coworkers from your hometown that you knew and shared cultural ties with; that you wouldn't tend to hang out together at lunch?

ethbr1 2y ago
The point is not the restaurant or jokes, but whether business decisions are made there (or if relationships built there drive business decisions).
- quadrifoliate 2y ago
  Sure, but Americans have been doing this for hundreds of years through exclusionary hobbies like golf, fantasy football, and a hundred other things. That's just how social groups work. They are often cliquey and exclusionary. That's why I think it's weird to only target Indians in this regard. They are building an in-group just like everyone else; the difference is that OP seems to have little experience not being part of the in-group.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    That's true and they have. But that doesn't make it okay for others to do. We should be working to decrease it in all exclusionary groups by working to make them more inclusionary. That means intentionally rotating comfort zones. And it is a historically seductive siren call that once an immigrant community in any country attains some power, they use it to ramp up exclusion and cronyism. In all fairness, to protect their tenuous grasp on that power from external racism, but it also succumbs to use for less noble, more human ends. E.g. getting ones friend hired.
  - TimedToasts 2y ago
    I'm glad that you're admitting this is happening.
  - skeaker 2y ago
    Other groups doing this too doesn't make it okay. Nobody should be forming exclusionary groups where all the shots are called and business decisions are made.
gedy 2y ago
The better question is: if you had a Bangalore company founded by Indians, then a management hire from the US or Britain started hiring immigrants from there too, and they excluded or sidelined Indians, especially ones who didn't speak English - you'd be annoyed too right?

ethbr1 2y ago

The point is not the restaurant or jokes, but whether business decisions are made there (or if relationships built there drive business decisions).

quadrifoliate 2y ago
Sure, but Americans have been doing this for hundreds of years through exclusionary hobbies like golf, fantasy football, and a hundred other things. That's just how social groups work. They are often cliquey and exclusionary. That's why I think it's weird to only target Indians in this regard. They are building an in-group just like everyone else; the difference is that OP seems to have little experience not being part of the in-group.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  That's true and they have. But that doesn't make it okay for others to do. We should be working to decrease it in all exclusionary groups by working to make them more inclusionary. That means intentionally rotating comfort zones. And it is a historically seductive siren call that once an immigrant community in any country attains some power, they use it to ramp up exclusion and cronyism. In all fairness, to protect their tenuous grasp on that power from external racism, but it also succumbs to use for less noble, more human ends. E.g. getting ones friend hired.
- TimedToasts 2y ago
  I'm glad that you're admitting this is happening.
- skeaker 2y ago
  Other groups doing this too doesn't make it okay. Nobody should be forming exclusionary groups where all the shots are called and business decisions are made.

gedy 2y ago

The better question is: if you had a Bangalore company founded by Indians, then a management hire from the US or Britain started hiring immigrants from there too, and they excluded or sidelined Indians, especially ones who didn't speak English - you'd be annoyed too right?