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I just posted this comment with a new account to check how easily hearsay influences people's opinions with no backing, whatsoever. I hope this thread will stay

I just posted this comment with a new account to check how easily hearsay influences people's opinions with no backing, whatsoever. I hope this thread will stay up as a reminder to stay civil and not get carried away by clouded judgement.

pm90 2y ago
How is this discrimination manifested? How do these managers know your country of origin?
- mattmaroon 2y ago
  An Indian person can spot a Pakistani (and vice versa) easily. There’s a good bit of historical enmity between the two nations.
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    Does this apply to castes as well? I mean in western Europe you can often pick out the classism based on how people dress, have their hair and what their accent is (I'm very obvious because of my "provincial" accent and terrible sense of style, lol). Classism in the Netherlands isn't too bad though, unless you're from the old aristocracies (they live in certain areas, go to private schools, often have archaic letter combos like Y, AE, CK, or apostrophes in their multi-word surnames, etc [1]), they definitely live on their own island. Often end up in politics, too, because so it goes. [1] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_Nederlandse_adellijke_families_(alfabetisch) https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_Nederlandse_adellijk...
    - consp 2y ago
      > Classism in the Netherlands isn't too bad though Wait until they figure out you earn less than them. "You cannot understand [rich people bs 'struggle']" I've had the misfortune of hearing over and over again, them showing a complete lack of any form of empathy for anyone except their own class.
  - dartharva 2y ago
    No? I am an Indian living in India, and if a Pakistani person were to live next door I wouldn't be able to make it out unless he told me himself.
    - mattmaroon 2y ago
      Im neither but I can tell a Pakistani accent from an Indian one. Is that not the case there? And you would certainly know if you were working with someone, at least here. I suppose I have spent a lot of time with Indian Americans but not as much with Indians in India (just zoom calls) so that’s interesting.
      - dartharva 2y ago
        Pakistani accents often perfectly coincide with Punjabi and UP (Indian states) accents.
- lazide 2y ago
  Pakistani’s are almost always Muslim (due to Partition [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India]), and will often act and speak differently in several telltale ways for anyone who knows what to look for. Both given and family/surnames are also often telltales. And if you think Casteism is a bitch, Pakistani/Indian (or Indian Hindu vs Indian Muslim) is a bitch and a half. Just try to apply for a visa for India and see how many times they ask if you or any of your relatives are from Pakistan to get a taste. Edit: ooh, downvotes away. Hah! No better way to tell when you hit a nerve than the torches come out.
  - Andaith 2y ago
    This is the most common form of racism I've personally seen in my life, for what it's worth. The funny part is having both Indians & Pakistanis pull you aside and tell you to watch out for the other ones because "They don't shower every day." I've had that happen a few times now...
- gruez 2y ago
  >>A lot of hatred passes unnoticed beacuse of the lumping together of the South Asian immigrants in all discussions. >How do these managers know your country of origin? The irony.
onetimeacc123 2y ago
I hear you, brother. I am an Indian Muslim and I have essentially stopped considering any company that has a considerable number of Indians. I actively filter these companies out when searching for jobs. The daily micro-aggressions are detrimetal to my mental health, and I have finally come to terms that this is beyond my power to reform, hence my decision to simply ignore. This is sad, really really sad.
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pm90 2y ago

How is this discrimination manifested? How do these managers know your country of origin?

mattmaroon 2y ago
An Indian person can spot a Pakistani (and vice versa) easily. There’s a good bit of historical enmity between the two nations.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  Does this apply to castes as well? I mean in western Europe you can often pick out the classism based on how people dress, have their hair and what their accent is (I'm very obvious because of my "provincial" accent and terrible sense of style, lol). Classism in the Netherlands isn't too bad though, unless you're from the old aristocracies (they live in certain areas, go to private schools, often have archaic letter combos like Y, AE, CK, or apostrophes in their multi-word surnames, etc [1]), they definitely live on their own island. Often end up in politics, too, because so it goes. [1] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_Nederlandse_adellijke_families_(alfabetisch) https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_Nederlandse_adellijk...
  - consp 2y ago
    > Classism in the Netherlands isn't too bad though Wait until they figure out you earn less than them. "You cannot understand [rich people bs 'struggle']" I've had the misfortune of hearing over and over again, them showing a complete lack of any form of empathy for anyone except their own class.
- dartharva 2y ago
  No? I am an Indian living in India, and if a Pakistani person were to live next door I wouldn't be able to make it out unless he told me himself.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    Im neither but I can tell a Pakistani accent from an Indian one. Is that not the case there? And you would certainly know if you were working with someone, at least here. I suppose I have spent a lot of time with Indian Americans but not as much with Indians in India (just zoom calls) so that’s interesting.
    - dartharva 2y ago
      Pakistani accents often perfectly coincide with Punjabi and UP (Indian states) accents.
lazide 2y ago
Pakistani’s are almost always Muslim (due to Partition [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India]), and will often act and speak differently in several telltale ways for anyone who knows what to look for. Both given and family/surnames are also often telltales. And if you think Casteism is a bitch, Pakistani/Indian (or Indian Hindu vs Indian Muslim) is a bitch and a half. Just try to apply for a visa for India and see how many times they ask if you or any of your relatives are from Pakistan to get a taste. Edit: ooh, downvotes away. Hah! No better way to tell when you hit a nerve than the torches come out.
- Andaith 2y ago
  This is the most common form of racism I've personally seen in my life, for what it's worth. The funny part is having both Indians & Pakistanis pull you aside and tell you to watch out for the other ones because "They don't shower every day." I've had that happen a few times now...
gruez 2y ago
>>A lot of hatred passes unnoticed beacuse of the lumping together of the South Asian immigrants in all discussions. >How do these managers know your country of origin? The irony.

onetimeacc123 2y ago

I hear you, brother. I am an Indian Muslim and I have essentially stopped considering any company that has a considerable number of Indians. I actively filter these companies out when searching for jobs. The daily micro-aggressions are detrimetal to my mental health, and I have finally come to terms that this is beyond my power to reform, hence my decision to simply ignore. This is sad, really really sad.

xeanotods 2y ago
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