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This is a delusional and hateful lie.

zo1 2y ago
Have you been on the receiving end of DEI? The same way a minority has been on the receiving end of racism? We can all wax lyrical and paint pretty pictures about the noble goals of DEI. But till we get an equal and fair world, the ugly picture is that DEI starts by dividing the pie into smaller parts, and taking from one to give to another, instead of making the pie bigger for everyone. And if history is anything to go by, most "DEI"-like efforts never ever reach that end-goal. They perpetuate indefinitely until they create yet another oppressed or previously-disadvantaged class, and the cycle will just repeat.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  The biggest problem with DEI policies in practice was that companies entrusted HR to implement them. HR at most companies doesn't do nuance or complexity.
kshGa 2y ago
You could perhaps assume idealism in 2020. Four years later it is clear that DEI is used as a wedge to displace those you do not like and replace them with unskilled believers.
- j45 2y ago
  DEI is hardly about unskilled alternatives. It’s only about getting people to the table who are equally qualified and capable and overlooked and under represented. Often to the chagrin of most people who are lamenting on it changing.
  - zo1 2y ago
    Please don't take this personally, or as an attack on you. But having seen DEI first-hand, and the "equally qualified" people it has actively displaced and disenfranchised, I'd have to say that this view avoids the ugly reality on the ground wrt DEI. There is an entire country currently affected by it's poor implementation, and it's failure is just seen as more reason for efforts to be doubled and for more-extreme quotas to be put in place.
    - j45 2y ago
      There's nothing personal to take. So you shouldn't take it personally. Perhaps, instead we can think about how could it be taken it professionally.. There's equal or better qualified candidates for every position that don't make it to the table because of existing gatekeeping. That would likely have the effect of helping borderline candidates who can fail upwards, maybe do that a little less... or level up. What's curious is the presumption that one persons experience or interpretation (yours) doesn't mean a better perspective, experience can't exist. Is it possible you might not be the only one experiencing DEI? Gatekeeping has been a thing that's existed for a very, very, very long time. Often to the benefit of many of the people complaining about new kinds of space-making that affect gatekeeping that they didn't realize benefitted them. This current wave of DEI is definitely early. It's not perfect. Neither was the gatekeeping that preceded it. Other things that were early got a lot more leeway and understanding. But it can shows what some folks want to see happen (or not happen) one way or the other.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  From your comment, I'm guessing you're talking about the first consequence of DEI policies? - Using candidates' loud belief in DEI as a litmus test, even if the candidate themselves has no diverse characteristics - Hiring diverse candidates
gruez 2y ago
Are you claiming positive discrimination has not been advanced under the banner of DEI, or that it has but wasn't true DEI?

zo1 2y ago

Have you been on the receiving end of DEI? The same way a minority has been on the receiving end of racism? We can all wax lyrical and paint pretty pictures about the noble goals of DEI. But till we get an equal and fair world, the ugly picture is that DEI starts by dividing the pie into smaller parts, and taking from one to give to another, instead of making the pie bigger for everyone. And if history is anything to go by, most "DEI"-like efforts never ever reach that end-goal. They perpetuate indefinitely until they create yet another oppressed or previously-disadvantaged class, and the cycle will just repeat.

ethbr1 2y ago
The biggest problem with DEI policies in practice was that companies entrusted HR to implement them. HR at most companies doesn't do nuance or complexity.

kshGa 2y ago

You could perhaps assume idealism in 2020. Four years later it is clear that DEI is used as a wedge to displace those you do not like and replace them with unskilled believers.

j45 2y ago
DEI is hardly about unskilled alternatives. It’s only about getting people to the table who are equally qualified and capable and overlooked and under represented. Often to the chagrin of most people who are lamenting on it changing.
- zo1 2y ago
  Please don't take this personally, or as an attack on you. But having seen DEI first-hand, and the "equally qualified" people it has actively displaced and disenfranchised, I'd have to say that this view avoids the ugly reality on the ground wrt DEI. There is an entire country currently affected by it's poor implementation, and it's failure is just seen as more reason for efforts to be doubled and for more-extreme quotas to be put in place.
  - j45 2y ago
    There's nothing personal to take. So you shouldn't take it personally. Perhaps, instead we can think about how could it be taken it professionally.. There's equal or better qualified candidates for every position that don't make it to the table because of existing gatekeeping. That would likely have the effect of helping borderline candidates who can fail upwards, maybe do that a little less... or level up. What's curious is the presumption that one persons experience or interpretation (yours) doesn't mean a better perspective, experience can't exist. Is it possible you might not be the only one experiencing DEI? Gatekeeping has been a thing that's existed for a very, very, very long time. Often to the benefit of many of the people complaining about new kinds of space-making that affect gatekeeping that they didn't realize benefitted them. This current wave of DEI is definitely early. It's not perfect. Neither was the gatekeeping that preceded it. Other things that were early got a lot more leeway and understanding. But it can shows what some folks want to see happen (or not happen) one way or the other.
ethbr1 2y ago
From your comment, I'm guessing you're talking about the first consequence of DEI policies? - Using candidates' loud belief in DEI as a litmus test, even if the candidate themselves has no diverse characteristics - Hiring diverse candidates

gruez 2y ago

Are you claiming positive discrimination has not been advanced under the banner of DEI, or that it has but wasn't true DEI?