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"eBay to Pay $59 Million to Settle Controlled Substances Act Allegations Related to Pill Presses Sold Through Its Website" https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/20

"eBay to Pay $59 Million to Settle Controlled Substances Act Allegations Related to Pill Presses Sold Through Its Website" https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/02/01/ebay-pay-59-million-settle-controlled-substances-act-allegations-related https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/02/01/ebay-pay-59-mi... Just to be clear, I'm not saying this justifies the response. I'm just clarifying what may have prompted this serious over-reaction by ebay.

gbraad 2y ago
pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed. So, yes. I see the point of eBay too. But reading the messages, I am confused it the listing got removed or not. She got several temporary bans for the same listing, and never listed it again; so I can only assume it was closed (not removed?).
- kwanbix 2y ago
  like she said: >Also, if you're going to give someone a lifetime ban for some keywords that AI picks up in a listing title, GIVE YOUR USERS A RED TEXT WARNING BEFORE THEY LIST IT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE! >They do that for BB guns and other items with WAY fewer consequences if you mess up!!
- xtiansimon 2y ago
  > “pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed.” This is valid reason for enforcement of the rule. What’s at issue, in all of these cases, is the lack of reasonable judgement of the case (appeal). eBay’s place in the market (different from, say, Amazon or Walmart) is private sellers selling used items, vintage, collectible, rare, antique. This is exactly what this item is. No average person would ever conceive of the item as itself being dangerous or harmful (like a gun or brass knuckles). Whats more, no one would object to selling this antique on eBay to, say, a pharmacy to sit as decoration on a shelf. On the face of it, it seem unlikely an impartial judge would rule the seller was not a good member of the EBay community, and deserves a restoration of their privileges.
  - gbraad 2y ago
    the device is unlikely to also provide at scale if restored, which probably would also be a consideration. if you are serious to use it as a pill press, you would not go for this inconvenient option. I wish her luck in getting it sorted, ...
    - xtiansimon 2y ago
      "at scale" That doesn't seem to be a then and now part of this. I looked on Amazon and you can find a pill machine for ~$400 pressing single pills with identical design.
      - gbraad 2y ago
        ... which justifies a possible argument that the device can be restored in working order/cause issues for eBay. Doesn't look good for her.
weq 2y ago
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aurareturn 2y ago
>Also, if you're going to give someone a lifetime ban for some keywords that AI picks up in a listing title, GIVE YOUR USERS A RED TEXT WARNING BEFORE THEY LIST IT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE! >They do that for BB guns and other items with WAY fewer consequences if you mess up!! She has a point though. If it's illegal, why even let it get listed in the first place? Why not just give the seller a warning during the listing process?
fensgrim 2y ago
Ooh substances - scary stuff. Must be very dangerous to allow selling a thing that could be made with any CNC router out of scrap, so let's also ban CNC routers.. eventually, let's ban hands as they can be used to do stuff. /s

gbraad 2y ago

pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed. So, yes. I see the point of eBay too. But reading the messages, I am confused it the listing got removed or not. She got several temporary bans for the same listing, and never listed it again; so I can only assume it was closed (not removed?).

kwanbix 2y ago
like she said: >Also, if you're going to give someone a lifetime ban for some keywords that AI picks up in a listing title, GIVE YOUR USERS A RED TEXT WARNING BEFORE THEY LIST IT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE! >They do that for BB guns and other items with WAY fewer consequences if you mess up!!
xtiansimon 2y ago
> “pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed.” This is valid reason for enforcement of the rule. What’s at issue, in all of these cases, is the lack of reasonable judgement of the case (appeal). eBay’s place in the market (different from, say, Amazon or Walmart) is private sellers selling used items, vintage, collectible, rare, antique. This is exactly what this item is. No average person would ever conceive of the item as itself being dangerous or harmful (like a gun or brass knuckles). Whats more, no one would object to selling this antique on eBay to, say, a pharmacy to sit as decoration on a shelf. On the face of it, it seem unlikely an impartial judge would rule the seller was not a good member of the EBay community, and deserves a restoration of their privileges.
- gbraad 2y ago
  the device is unlikely to also provide at scale if restored, which probably would also be a consideration. if you are serious to use it as a pill press, you would not go for this inconvenient option. I wish her luck in getting it sorted, ...
  - xtiansimon 2y ago
    "at scale" That doesn't seem to be a then and now part of this. I looked on Amazon and you can find a pill machine for ~$400 pressing single pills with identical design.
    - gbraad 2y ago
      ... which justifies a possible argument that the device can be restored in working order/cause issues for eBay. Doesn't look good for her.

weq 2y ago

Welcome to our AI future peoples, where laws are generated, enforced and broken simultatiously by brutal luck rather democratic processes https://www.phind.com/search?cache=va579yelqgkue97jka6cinzl https://www.phind.com/search?cache=va579yelqgkue97jka6cinzl

aurareturn 2y ago

>Also, if you're going to give someone a lifetime ban for some keywords that AI picks up in a listing title, GIVE YOUR USERS A RED TEXT WARNING BEFORE THEY LIST IT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE! >They do that for BB guns and other items with WAY fewer consequences if you mess up!! She has a point though. If it's illegal, why even let it get listed in the first place? Why not just give the seller a warning during the listing process?

fensgrim 2y ago

Ooh substances - scary stuff. Must be very dangerous to allow selling a thing that could be made with any CNC router out of scrap, so let's also ban CNC routers.. eventually, let's ban hands as they can be used to do stuff. /s