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I don't know if there are comments or not since I don't have a Twitter... but did she get banned because that's a pill press? Is it a pill press, I'm only guess

by johng 2y ago

I don't know if there are comments or not since I don't have a Twitter... but did she get banned because that's a pill press? Is it a pill press, I'm only guessing.

superkuh 2y ago
"eBay to Pay $59 Million to Settle Controlled Substances Act Allegations Related to Pill Presses Sold Through Its Website" https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/02/01/ebay-pay-59-million-settle-controlled-substances-act-allegations-related https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/02/01/ebay-pay-59-mi... Just to be clear, I'm not saying this justifies the response. I'm just clarifying what may have prompted this serious over-reaction by ebay.
- gbraad 2y ago
  pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed. So, yes. I see the point of eBay too. But reading the messages, I am confused it the listing got removed or not. She got several temporary bans for the same listing, and never listed it again; so I can only assume it was closed (not removed?).
  - kwanbix 2y ago
    like she said: >Also, if you're going to give someone a lifetime ban for some keywords that AI picks up in a listing title, GIVE YOUR USERS A RED TEXT WARNING BEFORE THEY LIST IT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE! >They do that for BB guns and other items with WAY fewer consequences if you mess up!!
  - xtiansimon 2y ago
    > “pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed.” This is valid reason for enforcement of the rule. What’s at issue, in all of these cases, is the lack of reasonable judgement of the case (appeal). eBay’s place in the market (different from, say, Amazon or Walmart) is private sellers selling used items, vintage, collectible, rare, antique. This is exactly what this item is. No average person would ever conceive of the item as itself being dangerous or harmful (like a gun or brass knuckles). Whats more, no one would object to selling this antique on eBay to, say, a pharmacy to sit as decoration on a shelf. On the face of it, it seem unlikely an impartial judge would rule the seller was not a good member of the EBay community, and deserves a restoration of their privileges.
    - gbraad 2y ago
      the device is unlikely to also provide at scale if restored, which probably would also be a consideration. if you are serious to use it as a pill press, you would not go for this inconvenient option. I wish her luck in getting it sorted, ...
      - xtiansimon 2y ago
        "at scale" That doesn't seem to be a then and now part of this. I looked on Amazon and you can find a pill machine for ~$400 pressing single pills with identical design.
        gbraad 2y ago
        ... which justifies a possible argument that the device can be restored in working order/cause issues for eBay. Doesn't look good for her.
- weq 2y ago
  Welcome to our AI future peoples, where laws are generated, enforced and broken simultatiously by brutal luck rather democratic processes https://www.phind.com/search?cache=va579yelqgkue97jka6cinzl https://www.phind.com/search?cache=va579yelqgkue97jka6cinzl
- aurareturn 2y ago
  >Also, if you're going to give someone a lifetime ban for some keywords that AI picks up in a listing title, GIVE YOUR USERS A RED TEXT WARNING BEFORE THEY LIST IT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE! >They do that for BB guns and other items with WAY fewer consequences if you mess up!! She has a point though. If it's illegal, why even let it get listed in the first place? Why not just give the seller a warning during the listing process?
- fensgrim 2y ago
  Ooh substances - scary stuff. Must be very dangerous to allow selling a thing that could be made with any CNC router out of scrap, so let's also ban CNC routers.. eventually, let's ban hands as they can be used to do stuff. /s
klyrs 2y ago
Looks like an antique pill press. Feels innocent enough, but it's probably still illegal. Seems like a zero-tolerance policy (ban for life for a single mistake) might not be the right balance, though.
- defrost 2y ago
  In this day and age an antique pill press is more of a collectable musket than a "as used by criminal gangs fully automatic large magazine assault weapon". It's not the press of choice for drug baron king pins.
  - vintagedave 2y ago
    Yeah. It’s a 140 year old antique.
- cperciva 2y ago
  I'm not a lawyer, but I can't imagine any judge ruling that it is illegal. A sword which has been beaten into a plowshare is no longer a sword, and an inoperative 140 year old pill press is no longer a pill press.
  - JohnBooty 2y ago
    As others have noted it's illegal to sell pill presses unless you're registered with the DEA, and eBay has gotten slammed for millions of dollars over this. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ebay-pay-59-million-settle-controlled-substances-act-allegations-related-pill-presses-sold https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ebay-pay-59-million-settle-co... Their treatment of this seller sucks, but they are also forced to cover their asses by the government on this. So they are in a somewhat difficult position. I'm not defending eBay, mind you. As the seller notes on their Twitter thread... eBay should and could easily detect this kind of illegal item AHEAD OF TIME when the seller enters the item description. Just block the seller from listing the item, rather than letting them list it... and then banning them later. It is possible (don't know how likely) that maybe eBay is being total overkill on this stuff as a sign of good faith to the government to avoid future fines. A lot of those fines can be based on the perceived level of willful noncompliance. Not excusing them. Just thinking thru what might be happening.
cranium 2y ago
Yes, it's an antique pill press sold in August. That same listing was flagged three times by their bot because of policy around pill presses and molds, ending in a permaban.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  According to the user it was delisted the first time though, so I wonder what caused the other two.
- vintagedave 2y ago
  That flag three times is also after it was delisted. So flagged once, and then flagged twice more after it was gone. Must have been enormously frustrating to remove a listing and keep getting warnings about the same, removed item. I can’t understand this from a data processing point of view. Surely the flag database tracks that an item was already flagged and removed, in order to avoid duplicates.
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    'is_deleted' in the db while AI crawls everything all the time including those?
  - acje 2y ago
    So it is just buggy cache invalidation? I guess eBay will eventually fix it. Also the seller is perhaps at fault for not naming it wisely? Cache invalidation and naming stuff..
    - bobthepanda 2y ago
      On a platform like eBay i would hope listings are keyed by UUID or some other id and not title string. And “I guess, eventually” is generally not good enough for a court, which is really where this person should be able to send a dispute like this.

by johng 2y ago

I don't know if there are comments or not since I don't have a Twitter... but did she get banned because that's a pill press? Is it a pill press, I'm only guessing.

superkuh 2y ago

"eBay to Pay $59 Million to Settle Controlled Substances Act Allegations Related to Pill Presses Sold Through Its Website" https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/02/01/ebay-pay-59-million-settle-controlled-substances-act-allegations-related https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/02/01/ebay-pay-59-mi... Just to be clear, I'm not saying this justifies the response. I'm just clarifying what may have prompted this serious over-reaction by ebay.

gbraad 2y ago
pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed. So, yes. I see the point of eBay too. But reading the messages, I am confused it the listing got removed or not. She got several temporary bans for the same listing, and never listed it again; so I can only assume it was closed (not removed?).
- kwanbix 2y ago
  like she said: >Also, if you're going to give someone a lifetime ban for some keywords that AI picks up in a listing title, GIVE YOUR USERS A RED TEXT WARNING BEFORE THEY LIST IT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE! >They do that for BB guns and other items with WAY fewer consequences if you mess up!!
- xtiansimon 2y ago
  > “pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed.” This is valid reason for enforcement of the rule. What’s at issue, in all of these cases, is the lack of reasonable judgement of the case (appeal). eBay’s place in the market (different from, say, Amazon or Walmart) is private sellers selling used items, vintage, collectible, rare, antique. This is exactly what this item is. No average person would ever conceive of the item as itself being dangerous or harmful (like a gun or brass knuckles). Whats more, no one would object to selling this antique on eBay to, say, a pharmacy to sit as decoration on a shelf. On the face of it, it seem unlikely an impartial judge would rule the seller was not a good member of the EBay community, and deserves a restoration of their privileges.
  - gbraad 2y ago
    the device is unlikely to also provide at scale if restored, which probably would also be a consideration. if you are serious to use it as a pill press, you would not go for this inconvenient option. I wish her luck in getting it sorted, ...
    - xtiansimon 2y ago
      "at scale" That doesn't seem to be a then and now part of this. I looked on Amazon and you can find a pill machine for ~$400 pressing single pills with identical design.
      - gbraad 2y ago
        ... which justifies a possible argument that the device can be restored in working order/cause issues for eBay. Doesn't look good for her.
weq 2y ago
Welcome to our AI future peoples, where laws are generated, enforced and broken simultatiously by brutal luck rather democratic processes https://www.phind.com/search?cache=va579yelqgkue97jka6cinzl https://www.phind.com/search?cache=va579yelqgkue97jka6cinzl
aurareturn 2y ago
>Also, if you're going to give someone a lifetime ban for some keywords that AI picks up in a listing title, GIVE YOUR USERS A RED TEXT WARNING BEFORE THEY LIST IT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE! >They do that for BB guns and other items with WAY fewer consequences if you mess up!! She has a point though. If it's illegal, why even let it get listed in the first place? Why not just give the seller a warning during the listing process?
fensgrim 2y ago
Ooh substances - scary stuff. Must be very dangerous to allow selling a thing that could be made with any CNC router out of scrap, so let's also ban CNC routers.. eventually, let's ban hands as they can be used to do stuff. /s

klyrs 2y ago

Looks like an antique pill press. Feels innocent enough, but it's probably still illegal. Seems like a zero-tolerance policy (ban for life for a single mistake) might not be the right balance, though.

defrost 2y ago
In this day and age an antique pill press is more of a collectable musket than a "as used by criminal gangs fully automatic large magazine assault weapon". It's not the press of choice for drug baron king pins.
- vintagedave 2y ago
  Yeah. It’s a 140 year old antique.
cperciva 2y ago
I'm not a lawyer, but I can't imagine any judge ruling that it is illegal. A sword which has been beaten into a plowshare is no longer a sword, and an inoperative 140 year old pill press is no longer a pill press.
- JohnBooty 2y ago
  As others have noted it's illegal to sell pill presses unless you're registered with the DEA, and eBay has gotten slammed for millions of dollars over this. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ebay-pay-59-million-settle-controlled-substances-act-allegations-related-pill-presses-sold https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ebay-pay-59-million-settle-co... Their treatment of this seller sucks, but they are also forced to cover their asses by the government on this. So they are in a somewhat difficult position. I'm not defending eBay, mind you. As the seller notes on their Twitter thread... eBay should and could easily detect this kind of illegal item AHEAD OF TIME when the seller enters the item description. Just block the seller from listing the item, rather than letting them list it... and then banning them later. It is possible (don't know how likely) that maybe eBay is being total overkill on this stuff as a sign of good faith to the government to avoid future fines. A lot of those fines can be based on the perceived level of willful noncompliance. Not excusing them. Just thinking thru what might be happening.

cranium 2y ago

Yes, it's an antique pill press sold in August. That same listing was flagged three times by their bot because of policy around pill presses and molds, ending in a permaban.

bobthepanda 2y ago
According to the user it was delisted the first time though, so I wonder what caused the other two.
vintagedave 2y ago
That flag three times is also after it was delisted. So flagged once, and then flagged twice more after it was gone. Must have been enormously frustrating to remove a listing and keep getting warnings about the same, removed item. I can’t understand this from a data processing point of view. Surely the flag database tracks that an item was already flagged and removed, in order to avoid duplicates.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  'is_deleted' in the db while AI crawls everything all the time including those?
- acje 2y ago
  So it is just buggy cache invalidation? I guess eBay will eventually fix it. Also the seller is perhaps at fault for not naming it wisely? Cache invalidation and naming stuff..
  - bobthepanda 2y ago
    On a platform like eBay i would hope listings are keyed by UUID or some other id and not title string. And “I guess, eventually” is generally not good enough for a court, which is really where this person should be able to send a dispute like this.