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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29728339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29728339 Can you prove what you were doing on 2009-01-10? I find it interes

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29728339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29728339 Can you prove what you were doing on 2009-01-10? I find it interesting you have a curious prior interest in that IP leak and your spin on it. If you are Satoshi then you should think carefully if you have any other OPSEC slip ups and then if you think there might be more … It’s better to confess and handle the issue of your coins. Your safety should be priority number one. It’s not bad for Bitcoin or you if it is you. Whomever Satoshi is they gifted the world with something incredible and it’s bigger than them now. The problem is the coins and the uncertainty around the intentions of them. Destroying the evidence, I’m guessing smashed and/or magnets on drives, that one is Satoshi probably seemed like the best idea at the time. Perhaps burning the coins wasn’t given enough consideration. It means there is a dilemma. What in the game is the best move next? Investigators who work in the real world have intuitive skills and will find the connections if they exist. Those of us who live in computers and data and math can sometimes underestimate the human pattern finding capabilities. They might be able to see and prove clearly who is Satoshi even if Satoshi thinks well all the data is gone, wiped, they “can’t” prove it, but that doesn’t mean that’s how the rest of society sees “proof” they might be able to “tell”.

nullc 2y ago
> Can you prove what you were doing on 2009-01-10? Can you? it was more than 15 years ago.
- alchemist1e9 2y ago
  Now it is starting to look to me almost like you and Peter Todd are panicking and making huge slip ups. Let me explain. I see that you are now also arguing the IP leak is questionable and that others were running Bitcoin or could have been. Now combine this with the absurd idea that “retep” could have just been abandoned and it means nothing, even peter backwards, there are a million Peters whatever. This is crazy you guys are basically accidentally admitting to technical somewhat knowledgable people like myself that retep is Satoshi because the excuses don’t pass the smell test. We know Peter was an actual wiz kid, it’s clear, Hal was emailing him in 2000, all using the email address that included … wait for it … “retep”, his IRC, his website, his freenode. It’s now obvious that he likely changed to his real name because the “cat was out of the bag” among the insiders. Hal would have immediately known Satoshi was Peter. OMG guys get your act together fast. You need a plan B, no pun intended, because real investigators will tease it out, the top people doing that, have almost supernatural human intuition. Regarding IP leak. Come on. Obviously it’s his IP. Was there a conference or vacation he was on maybe? I’m just a dumb ass Bitcoiner from OG days and I can see though this charade so easily. I’m concerned. Bitcoin is a gift to humanity from Satoshi (perhaps not retep!) and if the keys aren’t destroyed already and Satoshi is alive and has them then perhaps he should consider publicly burning the 1M coins or at least most of them. The nebulous case of supposedly the keys are destroyed is not a good situation tbh. To answer your question. Yes I can definitely figure out where I was on January 10th, 2009. I know where I lived and worked then. I know if I took any vacations. I’m hoping Peter Todd has a good alibi if he isn’t Satoshi. If he is … well time to confess and handle it in a way that doesn’t hurt the amazing invention. EDIT: I wish I didn’t open this can of worms on HN. But I can’t delete it now …
  - nullc 2y ago
    Your tone makes it sound like you're about to break out gematria next. :) You're deep into confirmation bias. Try considering an alternative hypothesis: This is a new absurd allegation which has only just shown up. Petertodd only learned the documentary would run with this claim hours before it came out as a result of journalists who saw a screener asking him questions. I am not petertodd. At some point surprising late I realized that the retep account on the forum was petertodd, so it sounded like a fine reason to me that this would be surprising. But it turns out that when you reason backwards from having information after the fact there were already a number of links. Okay so what? Consider how your logic would work if Todd was maliciously trying to falsely convince people he was a reluctant satoshi-- by e.g. using ineffectual arguments that he wasn't? or failing to to provide "proof". You would be totally taken by him. Good reasoning doesn't have that vulnerability. It's not even a speculative attack, this is part of what Wright did to him that enabled him to defraud so many. The kind of reasoning you're using is so vulnerable that it's being accidentally exploited by someone who isn't even trying to do so. > Regarding IP leak. Come on. Obviously it’s his IP. Was there a conference or vacation he was on maybe? simply reiterating a position isn't an argument. > Yes I can definitely figure out where I was on January 10th, 2009. I know where I lived and worked then. I know if I took any vacations. Where's the proof? That's what you demanded above.
    - alchemist1e9 2y ago
      > Where's the proof? That's what you demanded above. Most people have jobs or school and maybe kids in school. It means there are records and also we can often have our emails. It’s actually very likely in my opinion that Todd could easily figure out where he was that specific day and there would be corroborating evidence of that. However it’s not limited to that. It could come from any of the Satoshi timestamps, being on an airplane (no internet back then) somewhere or in some situation that would make it impossible for him to be Satoshi. You guys are a bit younger than my generation and so you still think 15 years is a long time. It’s not really. I noticed you are also now questioning the Finney alibi and asking for DKIM email message. I mean yeah not a bad idea to check but interesting that you and petertodd seem to be actively questioning things, which honestly is also good. I mean these details are important. For example I see you raise something about freenode and IPs with the IP leak. I’m planning to study what you said tomorrow. I don’t on the surface understand what you mean about that. It seems pretty clear the IP in the debug.log file is Satoshi’s node and IRC connection, likely a configuration mistake for the windows VM networking. > I am not petertodd I know that. However you and him I believe have a long history together. > This is a new absurd allegation which has only just shown up. Yes that’s exactly what I initially thought. But once people look closer I’m not so sure. A few questions for you: - didn’t Hal actually know retep for a long time? and invite him to join the bluesky list? - isn’t retep remarkably skilled for his age in 2009 and earlier? he worked professionally on a C++ large codebase at 17! and was clearly very gifted based on an early resume. - petertodd/retep appears to be trying to misdirect. for instance claiming to he a poor C++ coder? A good alibi will clear this up if he has it.

nullc 2y ago

> Can you prove what you were doing on 2009-01-10? Can you? it was more than 15 years ago.

alchemist1e9 2y ago
Now it is starting to look to me almost like you and Peter Todd are panicking and making huge slip ups. Let me explain. I see that you are now also arguing the IP leak is questionable and that others were running Bitcoin or could have been. Now combine this with the absurd idea that “retep” could have just been abandoned and it means nothing, even peter backwards, there are a million Peters whatever. This is crazy you guys are basically accidentally admitting to technical somewhat knowledgable people like myself that retep is Satoshi because the excuses don’t pass the smell test. We know Peter was an actual wiz kid, it’s clear, Hal was emailing him in 2000, all using the email address that included … wait for it … “retep”, his IRC, his website, his freenode. It’s now obvious that he likely changed to his real name because the “cat was out of the bag” among the insiders. Hal would have immediately known Satoshi was Peter. OMG guys get your act together fast. You need a plan B, no pun intended, because real investigators will tease it out, the top people doing that, have almost supernatural human intuition. Regarding IP leak. Come on. Obviously it’s his IP. Was there a conference or vacation he was on maybe? I’m just a dumb ass Bitcoiner from OG days and I can see though this charade so easily. I’m concerned. Bitcoin is a gift to humanity from Satoshi (perhaps not retep!) and if the keys aren’t destroyed already and Satoshi is alive and has them then perhaps he should consider publicly burning the 1M coins or at least most of them. The nebulous case of supposedly the keys are destroyed is not a good situation tbh. To answer your question. Yes I can definitely figure out where I was on January 10th, 2009. I know where I lived and worked then. I know if I took any vacations. I’m hoping Peter Todd has a good alibi if he isn’t Satoshi. If he is … well time to confess and handle it in a way that doesn’t hurt the amazing invention. EDIT: I wish I didn’t open this can of worms on HN. But I can’t delete it now …
- nullc 2y ago
  Your tone makes it sound like you're about to break out gematria next. :) You're deep into confirmation bias. Try considering an alternative hypothesis: This is a new absurd allegation which has only just shown up. Petertodd only learned the documentary would run with this claim hours before it came out as a result of journalists who saw a screener asking him questions. I am not petertodd. At some point surprising late I realized that the retep account on the forum was petertodd, so it sounded like a fine reason to me that this would be surprising. But it turns out that when you reason backwards from having information after the fact there were already a number of links. Okay so what? Consider how your logic would work if Todd was maliciously trying to falsely convince people he was a reluctant satoshi-- by e.g. using ineffectual arguments that he wasn't? or failing to to provide "proof". You would be totally taken by him. Good reasoning doesn't have that vulnerability. It's not even a speculative attack, this is part of what Wright did to him that enabled him to defraud so many. The kind of reasoning you're using is so vulnerable that it's being accidentally exploited by someone who isn't even trying to do so. > Regarding IP leak. Come on. Obviously it’s his IP. Was there a conference or vacation he was on maybe? simply reiterating a position isn't an argument. > Yes I can definitely figure out where I was on January 10th, 2009. I know where I lived and worked then. I know if I took any vacations. Where's the proof? That's what you demanded above.
  - alchemist1e9 2y ago
    > Where's the proof? That's what you demanded above. Most people have jobs or school and maybe kids in school. It means there are records and also we can often have our emails. It’s actually very likely in my opinion that Todd could easily figure out where he was that specific day and there would be corroborating evidence of that. However it’s not limited to that. It could come from any of the Satoshi timestamps, being on an airplane (no internet back then) somewhere or in some situation that would make it impossible for him to be Satoshi. You guys are a bit younger than my generation and so you still think 15 years is a long time. It’s not really. I noticed you are also now questioning the Finney alibi and asking for DKIM email message. I mean yeah not a bad idea to check but interesting that you and petertodd seem to be actively questioning things, which honestly is also good. I mean these details are important. For example I see you raise something about freenode and IPs with the IP leak. I’m planning to study what you said tomorrow. I don’t on the surface understand what you mean about that. It seems pretty clear the IP in the debug.log file is Satoshi’s node and IRC connection, likely a configuration mistake for the windows VM networking. > I am not petertodd I know that. However you and him I believe have a long history together. > This is a new absurd allegation which has only just shown up. Yes that’s exactly what I initially thought. But once people look closer I’m not so sure. A few questions for you: - didn’t Hal actually know retep for a long time? and invite him to join the bluesky list? - isn’t retep remarkably skilled for his age in 2009 and earlier? he worked professionally on a C++ large codebase at 17! and was clearly very gifted based on an early resume. - petertodd/retep appears to be trying to misdirect. for instance claiming to he a poor C++ coder? A good alibi will clear this up if he has it.