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Now, (and i’m still partial to keeping the lion-fox defos close to where they have always been*) would these people who attack moral issues with economic tools

Now, (and i’m still partial to keeping the lion-fox defos close to where they have always been*) would these people who attack moral issues with economic tools be lions or foxes? Its not that lions do not fear death, but that they fear lack of impact (ie positive externalities) more than death I posit to thee that lion-fox is a spectrum (and not even very bimodal). where would you place the (napo)leon, sama, dang, and PG? I’d say closer to the lion, because while they keep tactical details close to their chest, their hearts are worn elsewhere. *The historical [& natural] lions (with an epsilon of fox?) appears to employ camouflage, and if i may say so, enjoy subterfuge, by necessity? What the fiducial lion values, or respect (loyalty,unpredictability), are in their subordinates [as well as themselves]. Same for standard foxes ([intellectual]prowess,legibility).. i’d add that sibboleth consists of dropping something on their paws Y, where Y is something like an accusation of hypocrisy (& not dishonourabilitiness) watching their L0 (cache) ejaculation Since my gallic quotemining skills are inadequate, bonaparte appeared to have said X does not understand men like I do Q: who was X? Cicero, Livy or Plutarch? >just because… he says he can read [dead] people https://archive.is/www.economist.com/business/2024/10/03/what-makes-a-good-manager https://archive.is/www.economist.com/business/2024/10/03/wha...

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while I delve into Gallica (and run a few errands, and ponder the ancient dictum that people are like stones on a counting board — how much they're worth depends upon where* you put them): Napoleon Ier — lion (2M in the imperial army, with organic support, and a navy) see also 13 Vendémiaire, Year 4. DanG - fox (at most, he could field a squad w/ small arms) PG & SamA - foxes (a few hundred green troops w/ small arms and no indirect fire capability is about an order of magnitude [pace innovations from Ukraine?] too small to hold or gain ground. SamA, given heavier weapons and mortars and double or treble the headcount, could maybe hold — for a day or two, at which point we'd need to add in a logistics train to somewhere friendly...) Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJBNJ2wq0Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJBNJ2wq0Y * compare the reapportionment of horses in the Anabasis.
- gradschoolfail 2y ago
  E1R (leonine heart and stomach) would be a fox too, before and/or after Tilbury?, same as E2R ? Or does being an assassin’s target count (Somehow i feel you will not downgrade the discourse towards metaphorical threats to life, as in https://www.paulgraham.com/aord.html https://www.paulgraham.com/aord.html)
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    ~200 ships and ~16'000 men sounds pretty leonine to me? (and even the 4'500 militia at Tilbury dwarf an OpenAI or a YCombinator) TIL from where the brits learned (the hard way) about "let's you and him fight": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada#:~:text=The%20Kingdom%20of,cost%20to%20England%2e https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada#:~:text=The%20K... (in later text note the use of elizabethan-era drones, fireships, leading up to the Tilbury speech*, as well as the providential arrival of a "divine wind" after it) [so from whom did Philip, by the grace of God King of England, Spain, France, both the Sicilies, Jerusalem and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, Milan and Brabant, Count of Habsburg, Flanders and Tyrol, learn that foxes' game? (found also in the Panchatantra as "the crows and the snake")] Wouldn't being an assassin's target say much more about the strategy of the initial source of the assassination attempt than it would about that of the target? (a fox might assassinate anyone: fox, lion, or designori; while an insufficiently leonine designori** would assassinate a lion or more leonine designori; between designori we get into a comparative advantage game for who takes the fox and who the lion role?) It'll take me a moment to switch out of lion mode; for the moment all I'm coming up with is that Xenophon et. al. correctly surmised they were default dead unless they could cross the chasm, err, make it to a friendly coastline. (Θάλαττα! θάλαττα! being the cry of investors upon finding a second potential buyer?) * note that E1R starts with pairs in the run-ups but concludes on full tricolons; no mere "shock and awe" for her. ** EDIT: eg, well before co-founding Likud, MVB was busy bombing brits EDIT2: NB channels NdBdM: > “Je sais, quand il le faut, quitter la peau du lion pour prendre celle du renard.” (when necessary, I can remove the lion's skin and wear the fox's)
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X is unlikely to be Plutarque, for https://www.napoleon.org/wp-content/thumbnails/uploads/2009/10/475183_1-tt-width-236-height-450-crop-1-bgcolor-ffffff-lazyload-0.jpg https://www.napoleon.org/wp-content/thumbnails/uploads/2009/... (depicting him at 15) was supposedly made with some input from the principal himself, and the book is supposed to be the Lives (also frequently mentioned by others in a cursory search). Between Cicéron and Tite-Live my priors are (0,5:0,5) because it seems like he read whatever he could get his paws on: https://blog.napoleon-cologne.fr/napoleon-bonaparte-et-les-livres/ https://blog.napoleon-cologne.fr/napoleon-bonaparte-et-les-l... (with a rather Molochian /dev/null for books not worth the time to read? War and Peace also mentions french book burning habits, but those were driven by more prosaic motivations) EDIT: > "it is an advantage if from time to time there are individuals who do not understand men" —??? (which reminds me, I still haven't tracked down one of your earlier paraphrases...)
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  I'll guess X=Livy — as he was a "professional" historian (one of Veblen's non-governing elites?) and therefore more likely to produce Gell-Mann (non)Amnesia moments. [It's interesting to see the difference between quotes attributed to N1 on {de,en,fr} websites: in fr they sound pretty accurate (some fraction are lifted from Cicero or other classical authors); in de they're enriched in those that either concern germany itself or the hassle of dealing with idiots all day; in en just about anything gets his name slapped on it. ("87% of all statistics are just made up — Napoleon Bonaparte")] That said, even though Cicero was in government, Livy seems to have been a tad more cynical (small-c, modern sense) than Cicero, so I could be wrong. Alongside the lifted-from-Cicero quotes, one also finds more machiavellian expressions: > “Le peuple est le même partout. Quand on dore ses fers, il ne hait pas la servitude.” (People are everywhere alike. Give them golden handcuffs, and they don't hate their subjection) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65037972/f113.image.r=croire%20libredore%20fers%20hait%20servitude?rk=64378;0 https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65037972/f113.image.r...
  - gradschoolfail 2y ago
    Im guessing Livy too, as i heard it from a professional (English) historian at least a decade ago.. All i remembered was that, whoever the poor writer was, had never waged (or even experienced?) war, but popularly quoted in those contexts now that you mentioned it, i notice that English historians (of any day) can be a bit… sloppy in their scholarship compared to continentals Thanks for delving!
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> Motivating Workers to Exert Effort (in the NBER wp) Squad Leader (Avalon Hill) is the only game, board or otherwise, I've run across where "motivating [grunts] to exert effort" is an explicit part of the gameplay. Are there any others? EDIT: also, I think whoever tested the teenaged Winston Smith and put him in the Outer Party did well: his adult allocation of confidants to revolutionary cells does not reflect well, neither on his CFIT, nor on his AG.

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while I delve into Gallica (and run a few errands, and ponder the ancient dictum that people are like stones on a counting board — how much they're worth depends upon where* you put them): Napoleon Ier — lion (2M in the imperial army, with organic support, and a navy) see also 13 Vendémiaire, Year 4. DanG - fox (at most, he could field a squad w/ small arms) PG & SamA - foxes (a few hundred green troops w/ small arms and no indirect fire capability is about an order of magnitude [pace innovations from Ukraine?] too small to hold or gain ground. SamA, given heavier weapons and mortars and double or treble the headcount, could maybe hold — for a day or two, at which point we'd need to add in a logistics train to somewhere friendly...) Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJBNJ2wq0Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJBNJ2wq0Y * compare the reapportionment of horses in the Anabasis.

gradschoolfail 2y ago
E1R (leonine heart and stomach) would be a fox too, before and/or after Tilbury?, same as E2R ? Or does being an assassin’s target count (Somehow i feel you will not downgrade the discourse towards metaphorical threats to life, as in https://www.paulgraham.com/aord.html https://www.paulgraham.com/aord.html)
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  ~200 ships and ~16'000 men sounds pretty leonine to me? (and even the 4'500 militia at Tilbury dwarf an OpenAI or a YCombinator) TIL from where the brits learned (the hard way) about "let's you and him fight": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada#:~:text=The%20Kingdom%20of,cost%20to%20England%2e https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada#:~:text=The%20K... (in later text note the use of elizabethan-era drones, fireships, leading up to the Tilbury speech*, as well as the providential arrival of a "divine wind" after it) [so from whom did Philip, by the grace of God King of England, Spain, France, both the Sicilies, Jerusalem and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, Milan and Brabant, Count of Habsburg, Flanders and Tyrol, learn that foxes' game? (found also in the Panchatantra as "the crows and the snake")] Wouldn't being an assassin's target say much more about the strategy of the initial source of the assassination attempt than it would about that of the target? (a fox might assassinate anyone: fox, lion, or designori; while an insufficiently leonine designori** would assassinate a lion or more leonine designori; between designori we get into a comparative advantage game for who takes the fox and who the lion role?) It'll take me a moment to switch out of lion mode; for the moment all I'm coming up with is that Xenophon et. al. correctly surmised they were default dead unless they could cross the chasm, err, make it to a friendly coastline. (Θάλαττα! θάλαττα! being the cry of investors upon finding a second potential buyer?) * note that E1R starts with pairs in the run-ups but concludes on full tricolons; no mere "shock and awe" for her. ** EDIT: eg, well before co-founding Likud, MVB was busy bombing brits EDIT2: NB channels NdBdM: > “Je sais, quand il le faut, quitter la peau du lion pour prendre celle du renard.” (when necessary, I can remove the lion's skin and wear the fox's)
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082349872349872 2y ago

X is unlikely to be Plutarque, for https://www.napoleon.org/wp-content/thumbnails/uploads/2009/10/475183_1-tt-width-236-height-450-crop-1-bgcolor-ffffff-lazyload-0.jpg https://www.napoleon.org/wp-content/thumbnails/uploads/2009/... (depicting him at 15) was supposedly made with some input from the principal himself, and the book is supposed to be the Lives (also frequently mentioned by others in a cursory search). Between Cicéron and Tite-Live my priors are (0,5:0,5) because it seems like he read whatever he could get his paws on: https://blog.napoleon-cologne.fr/napoleon-bonaparte-et-les-livres/ https://blog.napoleon-cologne.fr/napoleon-bonaparte-et-les-l... (with a rather Molochian /dev/null for books not worth the time to read? War and Peace also mentions french book burning habits, but those were driven by more prosaic motivations) EDIT: > "it is an advantage if from time to time there are individuals who do not understand men" —??? (which reminds me, I still haven't tracked down one of your earlier paraphrases...)

082349872349872 2y ago
I'll guess X=Livy — as he was a "professional" historian (one of Veblen's non-governing elites?) and therefore more likely to produce Gell-Mann (non)Amnesia moments. [It's interesting to see the difference between quotes attributed to N1 on {de,en,fr} websites: in fr they sound pretty accurate (some fraction are lifted from Cicero or other classical authors); in de they're enriched in those that either concern germany itself or the hassle of dealing with idiots all day; in en just about anything gets his name slapped on it. ("87% of all statistics are just made up — Napoleon Bonaparte")] That said, even though Cicero was in government, Livy seems to have been a tad more cynical (small-c, modern sense) than Cicero, so I could be wrong. Alongside the lifted-from-Cicero quotes, one also finds more machiavellian expressions: > “Le peuple est le même partout. Quand on dore ses fers, il ne hait pas la servitude.” (People are everywhere alike. Give them golden handcuffs, and they don't hate their subjection) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65037972/f113.image.r=croire%20libredore%20fers%20hait%20servitude?rk=64378;0 https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65037972/f113.image.r...
- gradschoolfail 2y ago
  Im guessing Livy too, as i heard it from a professional (English) historian at least a decade ago.. All i remembered was that, whoever the poor writer was, had never waged (or even experienced?) war, but popularly quoted in those contexts now that you mentioned it, i notice that English historians (of any day) can be a bit… sloppy in their scholarship compared to continentals Thanks for delving!

082349872349872 2y ago

> Motivating Workers to Exert Effort (in the NBER wp) Squad Leader (Avalon Hill) is the only game, board or otherwise, I've run across where "motivating [grunts] to exert effort" is an explicit part of the gameplay. Are there any others? EDIT: also, I think whoever tested the teenaged Winston Smith and put him in the Outer Party did well: his adult allocation of confidants to revolutionary cells does not reflect well, neither on his CFIT, nor on his AG.