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here we go again: criminal speech != free speech. A lot of, if not all of Alexandre de Moraes's decisions are around a real crime that happened Jan 8 2022 with

here we go again: criminal speech != free speech. A lot of, if not all of Alexandre de Moraes's decisions are around a real crime that happened Jan 8 2022 with a real coup attempt in Brazil (federal buildings were severely damaged). Some people pretend this didn't happen and come here and hide arguments behind free speech. These "censored" political influencers are investigated under the umbrella of this major case based on people who potentially had a major impact on influencing very simple people to commit crimes against democracy. Brazilian democracy is still at risk and should get support from digital platforms so we don't end up in a digital wild-wild west. This is still under secrecy investigation and the decisions cannot be judged by people who don't even have access to all the case material to begin with. I'm happy that Elon did the right thing. Hope he keeps collaborating with the law so we all can live in peace.

matheusmoreira 2y ago
There was no "coup attempt". There was a protest. Occupying and damaging Brasília buildings is essentially the standard brazilian protest. It's happened before. You call it a coup because they wanted the military to seize power. They didn't try to seize power for themselves, they wanted the military to rule over them. That's a valid political position. A coup attempt is the military actually trying something. An actual coup is the military succeeding at it. A thousand people with bibles and flags is not a coup or even an attempt at a coup. It's just a protest.
- augusto-moura 2y ago
  I don't believe he is only talking about the occupation of the parliament, which in my opinion could be considered a coup attempt, although a very disorganized and ultimately failed attempt. But he is also talking about the leaked documents and dossiers that are being investigated as means to a coup. Organized by some high level military and other influential people, including the previous president. Edit: more info at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Brazilian_coup_plot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Brazilian_coup_plot
  - matheusmoreira 2y ago
    Even the biased Wikipedia article you cited calls it a protest. > Protesters invade the National Congress of Brazil There were plenty of reasons to doubt the results, and these judges made numerous contributions to those reasons with their actions. They resisted two attempts from our representatives to add an anonymous paper trail to the "unquestionable" voting machines. They disproportionately censored Bolsonaro and his supporters in the months leading up to the election, called everything they said "fake news". Then they rendered him ineligible due to his perfectly reasonable criticism of the voting machines, out of all the stupid things he said. Then they went to public events to show off about it and say they were personally responsible for defeating him. How do you expect people to accept this as legitimate? As far as I'm concerned, these judges launched the real and successful coup all the way back in 2019 when they usurped power and created a secret tribunal to investigate, prosecute, judge, sentence and punish crimes against themselves. The constitution says that secret tribunals are prohibited, yet they get away with it because they're the highest court and there's no one who can override them. Politicians who can impeach these judges are no doubt corrupt and all it takes to intimidate them is the unearthing of some scandal they were no doubt part of. Thus our representatives do not matter, the laws they write do not matter, these unelected judges do whatever they want and police obeys them. Power does not emanate from us, it is concetrated in their pens. Due to this context, I see those people as blameless protesters of an unjust system who went on to become political prisoners of these judges. Who are you supposed to turn to when you believe the supreme court is violating the constitution? These fools turned to the "heroic" brazilian military and begged them on their knees to sort this mess out. The rest is history.
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matheusmoreira 2y ago

There was no "coup attempt". There was a protest. Occupying and damaging Brasília buildings is essentially the standard brazilian protest. It's happened before. You call it a coup because they wanted the military to seize power. They didn't try to seize power for themselves, they wanted the military to rule over them. That's a valid political position. A coup attempt is the military actually trying something. An actual coup is the military succeeding at it. A thousand people with bibles and flags is not a coup or even an attempt at a coup. It's just a protest.

augusto-moura 2y ago
I don't believe he is only talking about the occupation of the parliament, which in my opinion could be considered a coup attempt, although a very disorganized and ultimately failed attempt. But he is also talking about the leaked documents and dossiers that are being investigated as means to a coup. Organized by some high level military and other influential people, including the previous president. Edit: more info at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Brazilian_coup_plot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Brazilian_coup_plot
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  Even the biased Wikipedia article you cited calls it a protest. > Protesters invade the National Congress of Brazil There were plenty of reasons to doubt the results, and these judges made numerous contributions to those reasons with their actions. They resisted two attempts from our representatives to add an anonymous paper trail to the "unquestionable" voting machines. They disproportionately censored Bolsonaro and his supporters in the months leading up to the election, called everything they said "fake news". Then they rendered him ineligible due to his perfectly reasonable criticism of the voting machines, out of all the stupid things he said. Then they went to public events to show off about it and say they were personally responsible for defeating him. How do you expect people to accept this as legitimate? As far as I'm concerned, these judges launched the real and successful coup all the way back in 2019 when they usurped power and created a secret tribunal to investigate, prosecute, judge, sentence and punish crimes against themselves. The constitution says that secret tribunals are prohibited, yet they get away with it because they're the highest court and there's no one who can override them. Politicians who can impeach these judges are no doubt corrupt and all it takes to intimidate them is the unearthing of some scandal they were no doubt part of. Thus our representatives do not matter, the laws they write do not matter, these unelected judges do whatever they want and police obeys them. Power does not emanate from us, it is concetrated in their pens. Due to this context, I see those people as blameless protesters of an unjust system who went on to become political prisoners of these judges. Who are you supposed to turn to when you believe the supreme court is violating the constitution? These fools turned to the "heroic" brazilian military and begged them on their knees to sort this mess out. The rest is history.
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