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Our son died. Now we can use his sperm to have a grandchild

13 points by deafpolygon 2y ago

50208 2y ago
If the son is not around to raise the child it's a bad and selfish idea.
- kylecazar 2y ago
  "they would bring up any child born using their son’s semen sample. And in the event of their death, their two daughters have given an undertaking in court that they will take full responsibility for the child." The sister has even volunteered to be the surrogate. Hopefully it's a gestational surrogacy.
  - ahdhdixud 2y ago
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    - benoau 2y ago
      All children face a lottery of people and places to be born to and most of them are disgusting and unfair to the child…
    - Qem 2y ago
      Probably anyone that goes to such lengths to have kids intends to raise them well. The kid will have above average odds of being raised by people that will love him/her.
      - snvzz 2y ago
        >“We were very unlucky, we lost our son. But the court has given us a very precious gift. We would now be able to get our son back,” the mother, Harbir Kaur, told the BBC. This sentence suggests otherwise, unless it is a mistranslation. They are NOT getting their son back. They are getting a different person. And I'm not sure this is what the son wanted; It probably is not.
        laborcontract 2y ago
        as a parent, i know exactly what they mean. maybe when i was single i would have understood their words differently. sometimes we ought to lend others a charitable interpretation of their words.
        cassianoleal 2y ago
        As a human being those words are creepy. As a parent, they are extra creepy.
      - sshine 2y ago
        > anyone that goes to such lengths to have kids intends to raise them well By that logic, Jeffrey Epstein would have been the perfect father. Mr. Epstein's goal was to have 20 women at a time impregnated at his ranch. This is arguably going to an even greater length than this Indian family.
      - ahdhdixud 2y ago
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- spondylosaurus 2y ago
  Is it really worse than anyone going to a sperm bank and conceiving with a stranger's sperm?
  - bitshiftfaced 2y ago
    > and that he had not left any written or oral consent for the use of his frozen sperm Presumably he intended to save it to have the option later to use it if that's what he decided to do. That's very different than consenting to allow a donatee to use it.
  - kcplate 2y ago
    To me yes, it just feels kind of morbid. “This is the grandkid we made from our dead son…” vs “this is my son, we conceived him using surrogacy after we lost our other son tragically”. I’ll admit that there could be a cultural component that is in play that may change the perception where they live.
- hiyer 2y ago
  In India it's anyway not uncommon for grandparents to help raise kids while the parents are away at work.
Teever 2y ago
I foresee a future where people obtain genetic samples of their long-dead ancestors and they decide to clone and gestate them in artificial wombs. Imagine a weird youtube channel that is a combination of urban exploration / it's just a prank bro / DIY science where they break into a crypt to dig up the bones of some historical figure to grow a clone in a vat for clout.
dev-jayson 2y ago
Please tell me the content isn't as cursed as the title suggests
ValentineC 2y ago
This sounds like a convoluted way for the parents to continue their family's patrilineality, given the parents are no longer of a suitable age to conceive another son: > The couple say they approached the court because they wanted to carry on his "legacy" and that the order would help them preserve a connection with him and help their family name to continue.
fmajid 2y ago
I don’t object to the idea itself, but the implication that two girls are not good enough descendants ties in with ancient and distasteful Indian prejudices.
bubblesnort 2y ago
If I read this correctly, they'll fertilise their daughter with frozen sperm from her deceased brother? That's like, post-mortem incest. The risk of cancer will be higher.
- jmpz 2y ago
  No, it says "their two daughters have given an undertaking in court that they will take full responsibility for the child.." and "She added that the family was considering using his sperm in surrogacy and that a relative had agreed to be the surrogate. “We will keep it in the family,” she said. Under Indian law commercial surrogacy is illegal." So it seems the daughters agree to take responsibility, but there will be a surrogate.
- wasteduniverse 2y ago
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13 points by deafpolygon 2y ago

50208 2y ago

If the son is not around to raise the child it's a bad and selfish idea.

kylecazar 2y ago
"they would bring up any child born using their son’s semen sample. And in the event of their death, their two daughters have given an undertaking in court that they will take full responsibility for the child." The sister has even volunteered to be the surrogate. Hopefully it's a gestational surrogacy.
- ahdhdixud 2y ago
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  - benoau 2y ago
    All children face a lottery of people and places to be born to and most of them are disgusting and unfair to the child…
  - Qem 2y ago
    Probably anyone that goes to such lengths to have kids intends to raise them well. The kid will have above average odds of being raised by people that will love him/her.
    - snvzz 2y ago
      >“We were very unlucky, we lost our son. But the court has given us a very precious gift. We would now be able to get our son back,” the mother, Harbir Kaur, told the BBC. This sentence suggests otherwise, unless it is a mistranslation. They are NOT getting their son back. They are getting a different person. And I'm not sure this is what the son wanted; It probably is not.
      - laborcontract 2y ago
        as a parent, i know exactly what they mean. maybe when i was single i would have understood their words differently. sometimes we ought to lend others a charitable interpretation of their words.
        cassianoleal 2y ago
        As a human being those words are creepy. As a parent, they are extra creepy.
    - sshine 2y ago
      > anyone that goes to such lengths to have kids intends to raise them well By that logic, Jeffrey Epstein would have been the perfect father. Mr. Epstein's goal was to have 20 women at a time impregnated at his ranch. This is arguably going to an even greater length than this Indian family.
    - ahdhdixud 2y ago
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spondylosaurus 2y ago
Is it really worse than anyone going to a sperm bank and conceiving with a stranger's sperm?
- bitshiftfaced 2y ago
  > and that he had not left any written or oral consent for the use of his frozen sperm Presumably he intended to save it to have the option later to use it if that's what he decided to do. That's very different than consenting to allow a donatee to use it.
- kcplate 2y ago
  To me yes, it just feels kind of morbid. “This is the grandkid we made from our dead son…” vs “this is my son, we conceived him using surrogacy after we lost our other son tragically”. I’ll admit that there could be a cultural component that is in play that may change the perception where they live.
hiyer 2y ago
In India it's anyway not uncommon for grandparents to help raise kids while the parents are away at work.

Teever 2y ago

I foresee a future where people obtain genetic samples of their long-dead ancestors and they decide to clone and gestate them in artificial wombs. Imagine a weird youtube channel that is a combination of urban exploration / it's just a prank bro / DIY science where they break into a crypt to dig up the bones of some historical figure to grow a clone in a vat for clout.

dev-jayson 2y ago

Please tell me the content isn't as cursed as the title suggests

ValentineC 2y ago

This sounds like a convoluted way for the parents to continue their family's patrilineality, given the parents are no longer of a suitable age to conceive another son: > The couple say they approached the court because they wanted to carry on his "legacy" and that the order would help them preserve a connection with him and help their family name to continue.

fmajid 2y ago

I don’t object to the idea itself, but the implication that two girls are not good enough descendants ties in with ancient and distasteful Indian prejudices.

bubblesnort 2y ago

If I read this correctly, they'll fertilise their daughter with frozen sperm from her deceased brother? That's like, post-mortem incest. The risk of cancer will be higher.

jmpz 2y ago
No, it says "their two daughters have given an undertaking in court that they will take full responsibility for the child.." and "She added that the family was considering using his sperm in surrogacy and that a relative had agreed to be the surrogate. “We will keep it in the family,” she said. Under Indian law commercial surrogacy is illegal." So it seems the daughters agree to take responsibility, but there will be a surrogate.
wasteduniverse 2y ago
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