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In some states there is additionally the personal benefit of older vehicles (usually 20+ years old) being exempt from annual emissions testing. This is probably

In some states there is additionally the personal benefit of older vehicles (usually 20+ years old) being exempt from annual emissions testing. This is probably a wash for society (harm from extra emissions - however much C02 emmissions you save by not purchasing a new car). Not having to pay $500 to replace a malfunctioning hard to reach sensor on a $1000 car is helpful if you don't have a lot of income though.

ssl-3 2y ago
In some areas of the US, there's no statewide emissions testing (or inspections) to be exempt from to begin with. For example: Ohio is broadly this way, with the exception of some counties near Cleveland that require emissions testing for vehicles that are between 4 and 25 years old. To extend that example: For most of Ohio, anyone can hire anyone else to work on their their cars (or DIY) without any practical third-party concern about things like "authorization" or "certification."
- AStonesThrow 2y ago
  > without any practical third-party concern about things like "authorization" or "certification." Or "geniune parts" or "insurance" or "liability" or "loss of use" or "damages" or "employment-related injuries". Just sign this waiver; payment in cash only, up front...
  - ssl-3 2y ago
    What kind of bizarro-world are you living in where these things happen? I just take my car to the [both "unauthorized" and "uncertified"] shop when that is necessary. My mechanic looks at it and either generates an estimate while I wait or he calls me later -- depending on how busy they are. I then either agree to have him do the work, or I don't. If I do, then: He gets it done, and then I pay the bill, and then I drive my car home. It's a very straight-forward kind of transaction.
    - AStonesThrow 2y ago
      It sounds like you enjoy elements of loyalty, mutual trust, negotiation skills, and perhaps even a lack of bigotry or Marxist class struggles. Congratulations to y'all from Bizarro-World.

ssl-3 2y ago

In some areas of the US, there's no statewide emissions testing (or inspections) to be exempt from to begin with. For example: Ohio is broadly this way, with the exception of some counties near Cleveland that require emissions testing for vehicles that are between 4 and 25 years old. To extend that example: For most of Ohio, anyone can hire anyone else to work on their their cars (or DIY) without any practical third-party concern about things like "authorization" or "certification."

AStonesThrow 2y ago
> without any practical third-party concern about things like "authorization" or "certification." Or "geniune parts" or "insurance" or "liability" or "loss of use" or "damages" or "employment-related injuries". Just sign this waiver; payment in cash only, up front...
- ssl-3 2y ago
  What kind of bizarro-world are you living in where these things happen? I just take my car to the [both "unauthorized" and "uncertified"] shop when that is necessary. My mechanic looks at it and either generates an estimate while I wait or he calls me later -- depending on how busy they are. I then either agree to have him do the work, or I don't. If I do, then: He gets it done, and then I pay the bill, and then I drive my car home. It's a very straight-forward kind of transaction.
  - AStonesThrow 2y ago
    It sounds like you enjoy elements of loyalty, mutual trust, negotiation skills, and perhaps even a lack of bigotry or Marxist class struggles. Congratulations to y'all from Bizarro-World.