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Never hitch your wagon to somebody else's horse. Entire companies have been destroyed because they rely on Amazon, Google, or some other service, and then have

Never hitch your wagon to somebody else's horse. Entire companies have been destroyed because they rely on Amazon, Google, or some other service, and then have the rug pulled. Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. My rule of thumb is: Only use open source components, and only run my stuff on Linux. So that way I maintain full control over my stack, and stay mostly immune from the political rug pulls, and other kinds of rug pulls.

stavros 2y ago
Some of these wagons only managed to move because they were hitched to someone else's horse.
- gopher_space 2y ago
  My concern is that people aren't building their own horses the minute it becomes feasible. The farrier now seems mystical and occult to a generation even though they're more than capable of picking up the tools themselves.
  - stavros 2y ago
    You don't build things when it becomes feasible, you build things when it becomes less risky to build them than to not. For things like a convenience integration, that moment may never come. For other things, it's easy to estimate wrong, given how fuzzy the risks are.
dewey 2y ago
That sounds great, but also for an app that interacts with > 10 services and companies it's not really a good advice. > Only use open source components, and only run my stuff on Linux Most people don't have the luxury of never having to interact with Google Drive, MS Teams, Slack etc.
- quantadev 2y ago
  Sure integration points to all that are great. The mistake is when your entire company can no longer function at all without Amazon AWS for example. I've worked at a place like that. EDIT: Of course if you're sure your politics are completely left-leaning you'll have no censorship worries, because these platforms are mostly Silicon Valley run. Also since conservatives basically don't play dirty in this way, the conservatives won't censor stuff just because it's left-leaning. We're for protecting freedom of all legal speech and actions.
mullingitover 2y ago
> Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. Ok, I'll ask: what company did Amazon destroy for having the wrong political viewpoint? AWS hosts some pretty vile stuff without blinking. The last time a company made a big "woe is me, my ideas are being suppressed" claim against Amazon, it was Parler, and they weren't kicked off for their viewpoints. They were kicked off for operating a crime-ridden site with zero effective moderation.
- kurisufag 2y ago
  never forget that Old Cloudflare kept lulzsec's site up /while they were defacing .gov pages/, then gave a talk at DEF CON about how they managed it. we can have better standards for speech and platforming than "you didn't moderate enough".
  - madeofpalk 2y ago
    Cloudflare is AWS?
    - kurisufag 2y ago
      why should pre-2016 cloudflare be the only company with a commitment to free speech and platforming?
      - mullingitover 2y ago
        I read up on that situation, and it sounded like the three letter agencies were working with Cloudflare all along. They never even asked them nicely to stop hosting lulzsec. To top it off, Sabu from lulzsec was an informer[1]. So Cloudflare wasn't bravely standing on principle, they were just doing garden variety collaboration with the feds. [1] https://www.computerworld.com/article/1386577/us-seeks-leniency-for-sabu-lulzsec-leader-turned-snitch.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/1386577/us-seeks-lenie...
- Spivak 2y ago
0xdeadbeefbabe 2y ago
Then have the write political viewpoints instead. It seems popular.
AStonesThrow 2y ago
Enjoy the ride https://youtu.be/2mdg9h4HjPw?si=f12DQK1pYt9fILSN https://youtu.be/2mdg9h4HjPw?si=f12DQK1pYt9fILSN
thelittleone 2y ago
Worth mentioning Stripe among the destroyers. Sure a percentage of those who complain on r/stripe are breaking ToS, but it's evident that a substantial % are not. Stripe ToS allows them to profit from investing held funds. Once funds are held, nobody at Stripe responds. Has taken years for some to get their funds returned. I wonder how much funds they have on hold at any one time and how much they're making on it.
tiltowait 2y ago
> Never hitch your wagon to somebody else's horse. Though this was a nice and welcome feature, it wasn’t Transmit’s only feature nor even its main one. I don’t think this sentiment applies, exactly.
cyberax 2y ago
> Entire companies have been destroyed because they rely on Amazon I assume the retail side, not the AWS?
crabmusket 2y ago
That's not really relevant to the problem at hand, which is the ability to integrate with the large and widely used tech giants' platforms. Customers do use Google Drive (unfortunately) and thus the need to integrate.

stavros 2y ago

Some of these wagons only managed to move because they were hitched to someone else's horse.

gopher_space 2y ago
My concern is that people aren't building their own horses the minute it becomes feasible. The farrier now seems mystical and occult to a generation even though they're more than capable of picking up the tools themselves.
- stavros 2y ago
  You don't build things when it becomes feasible, you build things when it becomes less risky to build them than to not. For things like a convenience integration, that moment may never come. For other things, it's easy to estimate wrong, given how fuzzy the risks are.

dewey 2y ago

That sounds great, but also for an app that interacts with > 10 services and companies it's not really a good advice. > Only use open source components, and only run my stuff on Linux Most people don't have the luxury of never having to interact with Google Drive, MS Teams, Slack etc.

quantadev 2y ago
Sure integration points to all that are great. The mistake is when your entire company can no longer function at all without Amazon AWS for example. I've worked at a place like that. EDIT: Of course if you're sure your politics are completely left-leaning you'll have no censorship worries, because these platforms are mostly Silicon Valley run. Also since conservatives basically don't play dirty in this way, the conservatives won't censor stuff just because it's left-leaning. We're for protecting freedom of all legal speech and actions.

mullingitover 2y ago

> Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. Ok, I'll ask: what company did Amazon destroy for having the wrong political viewpoint? AWS hosts some pretty vile stuff without blinking. The last time a company made a big "woe is me, my ideas are being suppressed" claim against Amazon, it was Parler, and they weren't kicked off for their viewpoints. They were kicked off for operating a crime-ridden site with zero effective moderation.

kurisufag 2y ago
never forget that Old Cloudflare kept lulzsec's site up /while they were defacing .gov pages/, then gave a talk at DEF CON about how they managed it. we can have better standards for speech and platforming than "you didn't moderate enough".
- madeofpalk 2y ago
  Cloudflare is AWS?
  - kurisufag 2y ago
    why should pre-2016 cloudflare be the only company with a commitment to free speech and platforming?
    - mullingitover 2y ago
      I read up on that situation, and it sounded like the three letter agencies were working with Cloudflare all along. They never even asked them nicely to stop hosting lulzsec. To top it off, Sabu from lulzsec was an informer[1]. So Cloudflare wasn't bravely standing on principle, they were just doing garden variety collaboration with the feds. [1] https://www.computerworld.com/article/1386577/us-seeks-leniency-for-sabu-lulzsec-leader-turned-snitch.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/1386577/us-seeks-lenie...
Spivak 2y ago

0xdeadbeefbabe 2y ago

Then have the write political viewpoints instead. It seems popular.

AStonesThrow 2y ago

Enjoy the ride https://youtu.be/2mdg9h4HjPw?si=f12DQK1pYt9fILSN https://youtu.be/2mdg9h4HjPw?si=f12DQK1pYt9fILSN

thelittleone 2y ago

Worth mentioning Stripe among the destroyers. Sure a percentage of those who complain on r/stripe are breaking ToS, but it's evident that a substantial % are not. Stripe ToS allows them to profit from investing held funds. Once funds are held, nobody at Stripe responds. Has taken years for some to get their funds returned. I wonder how much funds they have on hold at any one time and how much they're making on it.

tiltowait 2y ago

> Never hitch your wagon to somebody else's horse. Though this was a nice and welcome feature, it wasn’t Transmit’s only feature nor even its main one. I don’t think this sentiment applies, exactly.

cyberax 2y ago

> Entire companies have been destroyed because they rely on Amazon I assume the retail side, not the AWS?

crabmusket 2y ago

That's not really relevant to the problem at hand, which is the ability to integrate with the large and widely used tech giants' platforms. Customers do use Google Drive (unfortunately) and thus the need to integrate.