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But that's wrong. The upper case for ß is ẞ.

by tedunangst 2y ago

IncreasePosts 2y ago
That was only adopted in Germany like 7 years ago!
- kccqzy 2y ago
  Well languages and conventions change. The € sign was added not that long ago and it was somewhat painful. The Chinese language uses a single character to refer to chemical elements so when IUPAC names new elements they will invent new characters. Etc.
  - extraduder_ire 2y ago
    Does unicode have space set aside for those new symbols to slot into? I know it's very rare, but it could get messy.
    - account42 2y ago
      Unicode is already messy. Chinese characters especially so due to han unificiation.
cm2187 2y ago
C#'s "ToUpper" takes an optional CultureInfo argument if you want to play around with how to treat different languages. Again, solved problem decades ago.
- account42 2y ago
  This is not a locale issue, it's a Unicode version issue. Which hightlights another problem with adding this to the base standard library.
Towaway69 2y ago
Isn't uppercase for ß just ß - i.e. it's its own uppercase character?
- bratwurst3000 2y ago
  there shouldn’t be an uppercase version of ß because there is no word in the german language that uses it as the first letter. the german language didnt think of allcaps. please correct me if I am wrong. If written in uppercase it should be converted to SZ or the new uppercase ß…. which my iphone doesn’t have… and converting anything to uppercase SS isn’t something germany wants …
  - account42 2y ago
    > there shouldn’t be an uppercase version of ß because there is no word in the german language that uses it as the first letter. the german language didnt think of allcaps. Allcaps (and smallcaps) has always existed in signage everywhere. Before the computing age, letters where just arbitrary metal stamps -- and just whatever you could draw before that. Historically, language was not as standardized as it is today.
  - Towaway69 2y ago
    I don’t think that Germany wants a capital ß or the German language requires one rather technology needs one to dot the eyes and cross the tees.
- account42 2y ago
  Not generally no, but some applications used it that way because of ambiguity of upppercasing ß to SS - which is why ẞ was added.
  - Towaway69 2y ago
    On the other hand, the German language has existed for several hundred years without having a capital ß but now it needs one? True capitalisation has always existed but even that didn’t seem to have required a capital ß - why now?

But that's wrong. The upper case for ß is ẞ.

IncreasePosts 2y ago

That was only adopted in Germany like 7 years ago!

kccqzy 2y ago
Well languages and conventions change. The € sign was added not that long ago and it was somewhat painful. The Chinese language uses a single character to refer to chemical elements so when IUPAC names new elements they will invent new characters. Etc.
- extraduder_ire 2y ago
  Does unicode have space set aside for those new symbols to slot into? I know it's very rare, but it could get messy.
  - account42 2y ago
    Unicode is already messy. Chinese characters especially so due to han unificiation.

cm2187 2y ago

C#'s "ToUpper" takes an optional CultureInfo argument if you want to play around with how to treat different languages. Again, solved problem decades ago.

account42 2y ago
This is not a locale issue, it's a Unicode version issue. Which hightlights another problem with adding this to the base standard library.

Towaway69 2y ago

Isn't uppercase for ß just ß - i.e. it's its own uppercase character?

bratwurst3000 2y ago
there shouldn’t be an uppercase version of ß because there is no word in the german language that uses it as the first letter. the german language didnt think of allcaps. please correct me if I am wrong. If written in uppercase it should be converted to SZ or the new uppercase ß…. which my iphone doesn’t have… and converting anything to uppercase SS isn’t something germany wants …
- account42 2y ago
  > there shouldn’t be an uppercase version of ß because there is no word in the german language that uses it as the first letter. the german language didnt think of allcaps. Allcaps (and smallcaps) has always existed in signage everywhere. Before the computing age, letters where just arbitrary metal stamps -- and just whatever you could draw before that. Historically, language was not as standardized as it is today.
- Towaway69 2y ago
  I don’t think that Germany wants a capital ß or the German language requires one rather technology needs one to dot the eyes and cross the tees.
account42 2y ago
Not generally no, but some applications used it that way because of ambiguity of upppercasing ß to SS - which is why ẞ was added.
- Towaway69 2y ago
  On the other hand, the German language has existed for several hundred years without having a capital ß but now it needs one? True capitalisation has always existed but even that didn’t seem to have required a capital ß - why now?