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I think the concern is TikTok's Chinese ownership. I don't really like the data collection of Instagram or YouTube either, but at least those are owned by US c

I think the concern is TikTok's Chinese ownership. I don't really like the data collection of Instagram or YouTube either, but at least those are owned by US companies, and as such aren't centralized in a country we have an semi-adversarial relationship with.

wahnfrieden 2y ago
Why are you ok with state surveillance when you’re a resident?
- tombert 2y ago
  I'm not ok with it (and said as much), but it's not equivalent to a foreign adversary surveilling us.
  - thatcat 2y ago
    Ok, so what about a foreign "ally"? Considering fb and google are known to have been compromised by israeli intelligence I'm not really sure there is practically much difference. https://www.mintpressnews.com/revealed-former-israeli-spies-working-top-jobs-google-facebook-amazon/282413/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/revealed-former-israeli-spies-... This seems like it is political and about removing chinese competition from american markets. The protecting American's privacy from foreign actors bit is pure rhetoric not likely to be applied to american companies in the same market even though there is similar exposure.
    - wahnfrieden 2y ago
      IDF also trains police forces across America on how to use the surveillance tech that’s been deployed to them
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doe_eyes 2y ago
That's a good argument in favor of the federal TikTok ban. This particular lawsuit isn't about that, though. It's about harming children, and it's quite similar to the recent New Mexico lawsuit against Snapchat. The geopolitical angle I can get behind. But these "failed to protect children" lawsuits are a lot more sprawling, authoritarian, and potentially damaging to the internet at large.
AlexandrB 2y ago
This is a fine argument if you're a US citizen, but if you're a citizen of another country it's also a good argument to go after Instagram, Youtube, and all the rest. There's also the opposite argument that the Chinese government has little ability to influence your life and so surveillance by a US company is worse since there's a higher risk that the information gathered can be used against you.
- tombert 2y ago
  I mostly agree, though I don't think the concern would be as much if TikTok were British or Canadian or French, since the US doesn't have an adversarial relation with them. The concern is that China, a country that we sort-of-kind-of have a problem with, surveilling and potentially influencing us.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > don't think the concern would be as much if TikTok were British or Canadian or French Under the TikTok ban bill, TikTok being sold to a Canadian or French owner would let them stay in American app stores.

wahnfrieden 2y ago

Why are you ok with state surveillance when you’re a resident?

tombert 2y ago
I'm not ok with it (and said as much), but it's not equivalent to a foreign adversary surveilling us.
- thatcat 2y ago
  Ok, so what about a foreign "ally"? Considering fb and google are known to have been compromised by israeli intelligence I'm not really sure there is practically much difference. https://www.mintpressnews.com/revealed-former-israeli-spies-working-top-jobs-google-facebook-amazon/282413/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/revealed-former-israeli-spies-... This seems like it is political and about removing chinese competition from american markets. The protecting American's privacy from foreign actors bit is pure rhetoric not likely to be applied to american companies in the same market even though there is similar exposure.
  - wahnfrieden 2y ago
    IDF also trains police forces across America on how to use the surveillance tech that’s been deployed to them

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doe_eyes 2y ago

That's a good argument in favor of the federal TikTok ban. This particular lawsuit isn't about that, though. It's about harming children, and it's quite similar to the recent New Mexico lawsuit against Snapchat. The geopolitical angle I can get behind. But these "failed to protect children" lawsuits are a lot more sprawling, authoritarian, and potentially damaging to the internet at large.

AlexandrB 2y ago

This is a fine argument if you're a US citizen, but if you're a citizen of another country it's also a good argument to go after Instagram, Youtube, and all the rest. There's also the opposite argument that the Chinese government has little ability to influence your life and so surveillance by a US company is worse since there's a higher risk that the information gathered can be used against you.

tombert 2y ago
I mostly agree, though I don't think the concern would be as much if TikTok were British or Canadian or French, since the US doesn't have an adversarial relation with them. The concern is that China, a country that we sort-of-kind-of have a problem with, surveilling and potentially influencing us.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > don't think the concern would be as much if TikTok were British or Canadian or French Under the TikTok ban bill, TikTok being sold to a Canadian or French owner would let them stay in American app stores.